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Post by wheatbin »

triplesec wrote: post #183
wheatbin wrote: post #166

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Around 20 years ago three friends of mine had bad acid trips around the same time. One of them was rushed into emergency, strapped down on the stretcher. He was crying out for Jesus to save him (he was not religious). Since then he cannot hold down a thought, never mind a job. He lives with his parents. My other two friends went high to a houseparty and committed suicide by shooting themselves in the head. It was all…

new account, no support for these claims. This is not what most people oberve with psychedelics

The double suicide happened about 1986-1988 in Brantford Ontario. The Toronto Sun called it a "Death Party". It made the front page. I searched but my Google fu has failed me (or the news was never archived online in the first place).

I'm not going to share the name of the other friend, for obvious privacy reasons.

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Post by jaredandrews »

imperio59 wrote: post #149

Drugs are bad. LSD has long-lasting effects not to be dismissed lightly. Best to stay away. See all the stories of people never recovering. It's not worth "trying it once" and ruining the rest of your life. Get some facts about LSD: http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/lsd.html

People are probably assuming you are trolling and don't feel any need to explain the flagging. But... drugfreeworld is probably one of the last places to find facts about LSD or any drug.

I would encourage you to read the wikipedia entry about the organiztion behind the site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_a_Drug-Free_Wor...

Almost everything on that site is misinformation, and no sources are ever cited. There is certainly danger associated with the use of any drugs but misinformation and fear mongering are not the way to go.

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Post by gnaritas »

Jach wrote: post #61
gnaritas wrote: post #37

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> Maybe these drugs are just a shortcut. That's exactly what they are. Few people reach through meditation what these drugs can show anyone, but meditation will get you there as well, perhaps with more control.

I'm still skeptical. I suspect meditation can give something similar, but not the same, as something like heroin, just like running can get you a "runner's high". But the brain just can't produce arbitrary chemical formulas. A fun passage from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/dispatc... "The serious heroin aficionado, if still functional, lives his junkie life surrounded by poor dumb muggles who b…

Heroin isn't a psychedelic, we're comparing it to psychedelics (acid and shrooms), not to drugs in general.

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Post by forgetsusername »

kshahkshah wrote: post #11

There is a lot going on in this article and I won't comment on all of it. I'll just address people who are perhaps curious about psychedelics. May I highly suggest that those wishing to experiment with psychedelics do it only in a place where you feel absolutely safe. That is, no risk of police, parents (if that is an issue), or neighbours to bother you. Additionally and I do think this is very important: in nature .…

>that is, no risk of police, parents (if that is an issue)

If "your parents" are an issue, it's likely you're too young to be experimenting with psychedelics.

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Post by csorrell »

coldtea wrote: post #180
marshray wrote: post #94

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It means something important to him, whether he conveys the idea perfectly or not to us in this post.

> It means something important to him Well, isn't that true for anyone believing in mumbo jumbo? Shouldn't truth be even more important?

If you think of "chakra talk" as a particular dialect some people use to communicate where their emotional and mental state is at, you can hear the truth of what they are trying to say.

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Post by gerbilly »

bonoboTP wrote: post #164
gerbilly wrote: post #127

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My take: you are both right. 1) "It is a paradox": Relaxation is not the absence of anger, relaxation is the abandonment of stress. Stress is the clinging resistance to things as they are. You can't "try to relax" because trying implies dissatisfaction with your un-relaxed state, and dissatisfaction is stress. You can only relax fully by not worrying about whether you are relaxed or not. 2) "Anger mgt is possible" :…

Well, that sounds nice in the abstract, but I can relax when I notice that I'm worked up on something. I understand the philosophical point you're making, but it's an abstract, philosophical, existential stress that you're talking about, not everyday stress. Simply the non-enlightened state of mind, caring about distinctions etc. And then you go on explaining how you can't rationalize yourself out of that state-of-mi…

>I understand the philosophical point you're making, but it's an abstract, philosophical, existential stress that you're talking about, not everyday stress.

Sorry, maybe I was trying to be too clever. Basically I agree with you.

Breathing and counting to ten are perfectly fine ways of dispelling stress. Breathing deeply counteracts the sympathetic response to stress, counting is a way of waiting it out, allowing the mental loops that can sustain a stressful train of thought to dissolve.

I still maintain though that "You can't try to relax".

Notice that the techniques you describe don't consist of willing yourself to "relax" they are other means that break a physiological or cognitive state that then allows the relaxation to re-establish itself, one physical the other cognitive.

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Post by sj3k »

batat wrote: post #190
edem wrote: post #158

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I definitely agree. After tripping on shrooms I decided to become a programmer. Best decision in my life.

Did the same thing without mushrooms. Am I at risk for becoming an enlightened homeless guy who will sleep on the streets for the rest of his life if I'll try mushrooms?

depends how much you eat

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Post by purplerabbit »

fukusa wrote: post #209
purplerabbit wrote: post #34

//my experience var self = (function LSD(self) { if (self) { return { ontology: new Ontology(), ego: null } } else return self })(former_self) edit: spacing. But seriously though, LSD can encourage/force you to re-think things you've taken for granted or never really understood. Like what time is, or how empathy works.

Just return self, no else, no?

Valid.

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Post by dntrkv »

earlz wrote: post #95
BookmarkSaver wrote: post #69

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I agree with just about everything you said, except the "in nature" part. Don't get me wrong, tripping in nature is awesome, maybe the best place to trip. But it isn't necessary and might not even be the best for your first time (depending on what you are doing). They real key is to not have too many stimuli out of your control, particularly having lots and lots of strangers around. Especially if you have to interact…

About 90% of the stories I've heard of LSD ca be summarized by "I spent 3 hours watching a story unfold on my wall"

I really doubt anyone can sit still and look at a wall for 3 hours on LSD. It may have felt like 3 hours, but was probably more like 3 minutes and felt like eternity.

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Post by exodust »

aeykie wrote: post #74
WiseWeasel wrote: post #65

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A couple suggestions: http://phish.com/tours/ http://www.widespreadpanic.com/tour Also, pretty much any large multi-day music festival with a campground, especially reggae. Suppliers are way less discreet at these kind of venues. You'd typically either get lucky and get whatever they say it is, or not and get something that has no effect; chances of something dangerous are low.

A few shady chemicals (NBOMes) have been circulating as LSD and they are dangerous[2], especially when you're expecting LSD but there is a way to be more sure of what you're taking[1]. 1: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_testing3.shtml 2: https://erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome_death.shtml

Only one person on this comment page to mention the biggest problem LSD faces today. NBOMes.

Discovered only a few years ago, it's way too new and untested. The effects are not the same as LSD, and reports of negative side effects are common.

Unfortunately they are commonly sold as LSD. Very sad and worrying.

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