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Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by cogwheel »

infinite8s wrote: post #117
cogwheel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ReSharper was called "The Programmer's Refactoring Suite" or if Visual Studio were called "The Programmer's IDE" I would see your point. I'm not simply referring to the decision to target a particular platform. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with having a narrow focus. But please stop pretending it's anything but a narrow focus.

In what way does ReSharper or Visual Studio communicate Windows only?

You seem to have missed my point. It's what those names don't communicate that makes them better. They don't make it seem like they're more broadly applicable than they are.

That said, the "sharp" in "resharper" actually does hint at its Microsoft nature, as it's the same sharp in "csharp"

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by toni »

amelius wrote: post #130
fweespeech wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That honestly isn't a small flaw if you are building a note/documentation application of any kind. The ability to share it is too valuable to use anything that can't be used on all platforms.

Indeed. Why not make it web-based in the first place? (Also, why is this specific to programmers?)

Here's a weekend project idea: Shiver, a web-based Quiver port which reads/writes in the same data format :)

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by cogwheel »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #51
cogwheel wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a trend among certain groups of developers to act as if their preferred environment is the only one that exists. Calling this "The Programmer's Notebook" makes it seem like a broadly applicable tool for programmers in general, when it's actually fairly exclusive and specific. There's nothing particularly egregious about this example, but it's part of a larger pattern that is aggravating for any non-…

I thought you were being overly negative but perhaps had a point about HN. But this is all over the guy's sales pitch on his product page? You're reading way too much into it. It's one thing to complain about a monoculture in a community but another thing entirely to expect a product page to laden itself with anything except for pitching a product as best it can.

Huh? No, it's not about that. Not sure where you got this idea, given my other responses.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by jsutton »

cogwheel wrote: post #6
moonlighter wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point? That it's not available for Windows or Linux? The developer behind Quiver is a one-man shop and happens to be an iOS, OS X and web developer. So what?

There seems to be a trend among certain groups of developers to act as if their preferred environment is the only one that exists. Calling this "The Programmer's Notebook" makes it seem like a broadly applicable tool for programmers in general, when it's actually fairly exclusive and specific. There's nothing particularly egregious about this example, but it's part of a larger pattern that is aggravating for any non-…

"Monocultures" develop because people don't want a fragmented and confusing workflow. One might use a Macbook because more useful tools are on OSX, and in turn might create more tools for OSX, enticing similar users to use OSX, and so on.

You don't have to be active on Github; maybe you can be active on Bitbucket, but you won't get a fraction of the eyes or feedback as you would on Github.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by seagreen »

thwarted wrote: post #113
seagreen wrote: post #89

The more I read about different applications, the more I think you can't understand them unless you look at the underlying data format. Here's Quiver's: https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Quiver-Data-Format It's . . . really good. Like, _really_ good. I particularly like that they keep the metadata and the content of the note separate. This is the same thing Camlistore does, and it's nice for version control b…

The more I read about different applications, the more I think you can't understand them unless you look at the underlying data format. "Show me your flowchart and conceal your tables, and I shall continue to be mystified. Show me your tables, and I won't usually need your flowchart; it'll be obvious." — Fred Brooks, The Mythical Man-Month

That quote deserves to be in stone.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by mbreese »

na85 wrote: post #83
udit99 wrote: post #59

I happily use a github repo for taking my 'programmer notes'. Advantages: 1. Goes well with my programming workflow: Change/Commit/Push 2. Allows me to use my preferred editor 3. No need to worry about backups: Git push and you're done 4. Accessible from anywhere, even if you don't have your computer Is there anything that Quiver would offer that I wouldnt already have with a github repo?

Privacy?

Private repository?

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by asymptotic »

asdavey1 wrote: post #106

There doesn't seem to be an option for on disk encryption. I don't want to leave my notes on dropbox or another sharing service in plain text - something that Laverrna has baked in. I just wish Laverna was as polished as this app.

If you're on Mac just create a sparse encrypted DMG using Disk Utility, put it into Dropbox, bam you're done. http://blog.fosketts.net/2011/07/05/mac-dropbox-encrypted-vo...

I prefer applications to focus on one thing and do it very well, and leave other orthogonal functionality to other applications or the OS to then do the other parts very well. In this respect Quiver is well designed, I tip my hat to the author.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by marssaxman »

amelius wrote: post #130
fweespeech wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That honestly isn't a small flaw if you are building a note/documentation application of any kind. The ability to share it is too valuable to use anything that can't be used on all platforms.

Indeed. Why not make it web-based in the first place? (Also, why is this specific to programmers?)

If it were web-based in the first place, I'd be complaining about that instead!
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