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Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Energy usage? What would the difference in energy used be for Chrome vs. Safari vs. Firefox?

Check out this article, or google around for others. Apple has spent a lot of time making Safari more efficient to extend battery life: http://bgr.com/2015/08/05/google-chrome-vs-safari-battery-li...

Ah. I wasn't thinking of batteries.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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I don't get how he thinks it's ugly or different. Not only is it very similar but, unlike Chrome or Safari, every aspect of it is customizable so you can make it look however you want. Out of the box you can rearrange the the UI elements to match Chrome or Safari.

I absolutely hate the FF UI. I WANT to use FF, I actually switched a few months ago and did it for a couple of months. I THINK my problem (I say think because I feel like someone will measure the pixel and say I'm wrong) is that it feels like there is a ton of wasted space between the tabs, above the tabs. etc. I can't control the size of the top bars and they're huge compared to chrome. I'm a fan of tiny icons and v…

Plugins can get you a very compact ui: http://paste.click/XfPZOR

I'm also a fan of minimal as possible.

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I came in here, to share my experience between Safari and Chrome, and it looks like you've iterated exactly the same sentiment. After El Capitan came out, and the changes to Safari, I REALLY gave it a shot. A sleek interface, and certainly fast, but it chews through RAM at an insane rate. There is no rhyme or reason to it, I can have a fresh window open, restore previous session of ten tabs, and after a few hours, ea…

Its hard to parse these responses because everyone says that their browser that they don't use uses RAM at ridiculous rates.

I use every browser, Safari primarily since El Capitan. It was only in the last week or so that I've just had enough of dealing with it killing my machine. I had to systematically kill each tab process on a regular basis.

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For UI check out Firefox Dev Edition, clean and classy alternative. And the dev tools take some time, but they're likeable for sure.

The problem I have with FF dev tools is that json responses are hideous, just one long string. Where Chrome's look like json with expandable fields.

In the network panel (in FF), I have a structured view on JSON data, and can expand nested objects and arrays (like here https://mdn.mozillademos.org/files/7421/nm-response-json.png). Same goes for JS objects, which is a thing that bugged me long time.

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I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

> For whatever reason, chrome is simply the best browser for those 50 tab research sessions Wait, what? For me, Chrome is utterly unusable for “research sessions” (aka routine browsing). It starts chewing up resources like crazy and completely falls over when I try using it for any amount of time with 25+ tabs open. Google’s non-search webapps seem to be particular offenders: more than a few tabs of them open in Chro…

Right now I have an insane 503 tabs open in Chrome. (Sometimes I'm lazy, and I forget to clean up.)

But I have 32GB RAM. And The Great Suspender, which is a must-have for anyone who uses Chrome.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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I think you're just used to Chrome. There isn't really that much seperating Chrome, Safari, and Firefox these days.

Chrome forced the rest to become better.

That's a good point. The emergence of Chrome certainly lit a fire under Firefox's ass. Being "just" better than IE6 was no longer good enough.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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post #23

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I think you're just used to Chrome. There isn't really that much seperating Chrome, Safari, and Firefox these days.

Not true. I went from Chrome to FF, but after 6 months on FF I was just too annoyed to stay on FF. It was mainly the crashes in one tab taking down the entire browser, but there were a lot of things that annoyed the crap out of me. Going back to Chrome felt like a weight was lifted from my shoulders.

Did you find out what was causing the crashes? I'm curious because FF is rock solid for me. I'm sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you.

Having used Firefox since it was Firebird (lol), I can tell you it goes through noticeable cycles of being awesome and just plain bad. Working hard to become the fastest browser an example of the former, and the whole Pocket fiasco being an example of the latter.

ATM I use Safari as my main browser, Firefox for testing websites and some other plugins, and Chrome for the built-in Flash (I don't have Flash on my system).

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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How is FF ugly? I don't find the UI very different from Chrome and Safari.

I don't know what it is, but I agree. There is something subtly and subconsciously going on that nudges me away from FF too. I think it's the loose feeling UI, the default smiley face icon of the chat that I don't know anyone uses, the paper airplane as the share icon. It's that there is still not unified search/address bar even if one would prefer it without running a poorly executed extension. It's that the tabs fe…

Care to list those reasons. Genuinely interested, and not sure which reasons you are referring to.
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