Reddit in 2016 • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by fourstar » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 8:13 AM UTC

Huhty wrote: post #53

fourstar wrote: post #18

Reddit is the worst. I created a sub that ended up becoming a default (/r/lifeprotips) and ended up getting banned when I tried to promote a site that I built (which was my original intention with the idea). They banned me because I had adsense on the site (funny because Imgur was/has been the golden child for reddit and they've had advertising for quite a while). I sent them a DMCA to remove the logo that I had comm…

Reddit is run by a bunch of leeches who rely on moderators to create content and never reward them. Snapzu ( http://snapzu.com ) is a reddit alternative that has a referral program that splits revenues with moderators, as a reward and incentive to grow it. Their system is similar where instead of subreddits, there are 'tribes', but it's essentially the same way of organizing communities. Here is a link to their refer…

This is very interesting and I think there might be something here with this idea.

It looks like you might run/work there. Is your "Frank" on the affiliate program just an example or a real person?

Another question I have is about the legality of it. Are these technically employees or contractors?

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by madeofpalk » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 8:29 AM UTC

hellbanner wrote: post #65

JimDabell wrote: post #48

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> absent any other agreement The user agreement includes perpetual, irrevocable license to reproduce content you submit to Reddit.

Does that mean if you link to a website, they own that code?

The link itself (and the title) is the submission, not the site that the link goes to.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by hyperpallium » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 8:46 AM UTC

brownbat wrote: post #46

7952 wrote: post #42

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> Reddit is run by a bunch of leeches who rely on moderators to create content and never reward them. I think sites like Reddit emerged at a point where infrastructure for sharing was very valuable for users in its own right. It seems amazing now that the submit/upvote/downvote flow was so novel and we all lapped up the spirit of freedom. But actually the powerful feature of sites like Reddit and HN is the moderation…

> submit/upvote/downvote flow was so novel What was the timeline again... Slashdot emerged in 1997, it developed voting on several different criteria, you could filter for "funny" or "insightful" posts, and it had a pretty sophisticated meta-moderation system. Digg simplified that with up- and down-votes. Reddit borrowed digg's model. I'm not 100% sure what the innovation of reddit was at the time, but I feel like th…

HN simplified that with up-votes only.

Next: implicit up-vote by following link.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by sehr » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 8:56 AM UTC

hyperpallium wrote: post #83

brownbat wrote: post #46

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> submit/upvote/downvote flow was so novel What was the timeline again... Slashdot emerged in 1997, it developed voting on several different criteria, you could filter for "funny" or "insightful" posts, and it had a pretty sophisticated meta-moderation system. Digg simplified that with up- and down-votes. Reddit borrowed digg's model. I'm not 100% sure what the innovation of reddit was at the time, but I feel like th…

HN simplified that with up-votes only. Next: implicit up-vote by following link.

HN has downvotes once you have a certain amount of karma

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by eps » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 8:59 AM UTC

Yhippa wrote: post #73

brownbat wrote: post #46

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> submit/upvote/downvote flow was so novel What was the timeline again... Slashdot emerged in 1997, it developed voting on several different criteria, you could filter for "funny" or "insightful" posts, and it had a pretty sophisticated meta-moderation system. Digg simplified that with up- and down-votes. Reddit borrowed digg's model. I'm not 100% sure what the innovation of reddit was at the time, but I feel like th…

I really liked Slashdot's moderation system. Not everybody got to moderate. You got selected at random. Being able to moderate felt much more like a privilege than a right and I took it much more seriously than I do on Reddit.

And I genuienly hated it.

Those one-off 5 mod points made you feel like scraps off someone's moderation feast table and made it absolutely obvious that you had no say in shaping the site. This sucked above all other issues with Slashdot and it was the reason why I jumped ship as soon as I discovered HN.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by neutronicus » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

Zikes wrote: post #37

Karunamon wrote: post #24

Reddit's a neat idea, but I had to abandon it. Had just hit five years of daily participation on the site, too. If we look past all the controversy and all the other reasons most people point at the site as a negative, it boils down to one thing in my mind: Base cynicism. There's cynicism when someone else reposts something. There's cynicism over imaginary internet points. There's cynicism by, from, and to the modera…

One thing that I just can't wrap my head around is the "no participation" brigading rules. The site literally exists to share content for others to discover and discuss, but if you share anything remotely meta you get accused of brigading and are banned/shadowbanned.

That rule absolutely needs to exist. Harmony through balkanization.

You don't get it if you haven't experienced how tiresome it is to see long-running subcultural feuds shitting up whatever conversation you'd like to be having.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by ivanca » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 9:05 AM UTC

fourstar wrote: post #18

Reddit is the worst. I created a sub that ended up becoming a default (/r/lifeprotips) and ended up getting banned when I tried to promote a site that I built (which was my original intention with the idea). They banned me because I had adsense on the site (funny because Imgur was/has been the golden child for reddit and they've had advertising for quite a while). I sent them a DMCA to remove the logo that I had comm…

Reddit has so many users that it always has to behave as the most common lowest denominator dictates, to survive this that CLD has to stay away from your subreddit, consciously ("I understand I'm not smart enough to talk here " or subconsciously "I don't care about this"). Otherwise it just goes to shit.

Banning sites for having AdSense is extremely hypocritical, Reddit lives thanks to ads or cohercing users to remove them ("gold")

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by gozur88 » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 9:26 AM UTC

Yhippa wrote: post #73

brownbat wrote: post #46

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> submit/upvote/downvote flow was so novel What was the timeline again... Slashdot emerged in 1997, it developed voting on several different criteria, you could filter for "funny" or "insightful" posts, and it had a pretty sophisticated meta-moderation system. Digg simplified that with up- and down-votes. Reddit borrowed digg's model. I'm not 100% sure what the innovation of reddit was at the time, but I feel like th…

I really liked Slashdot's moderation system. Not everybody got to moderate. You got selected at random. Being able to moderate felt much more like a privilege than a right and I took it much more seriously than I do on Reddit.

The other thing about slashdot that's nice is you can't moderate a discussion in which you're taking part.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by gozur88 » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 9:35 AM UTC

sliverstorm wrote: post #39

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #10

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Ya know, I'm on reddit daily, and I NEVER see any of these flare-ups. I just kind of hang out on the nerdy subs I guess.

I've always heard the reddit experience is far superior in the low-key, non-default, not-too-popular subs.

That's true. Most of the larger subs have voting blocs that memory-hole your comments if you don't agree with the mob no matter how reasonably you word disagreement.

Besides, what's the point of commenting on something that already has 700 comments? Nobody is going to read it.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by obelisk_ » Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 10:03 AM UTC

kungtotte wrote: post #77

brownbat wrote: post #56

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> Reddit has thousands of small communities Was that true at launch? I thought that was added later, but can't remember.

It was added after about a year or so, and there was two real driving forces behind it. The first was that people started using 'tags' in their submission titles to do things like "Ask Reddit" and also that the main page started getting overrun with Ron Paul tributes because apparently he was the second coming of Christ and would be the panacea that the US needed. And since most of us started visiting Reddit for the…

IMO, 50 000 subscribers is about the tipping point for subreddit quality. Beyond that number things start to go down hill real fast. You also don't want too few subscribers, however, or there will be too little new content posted. At about 10 000 subscribers, the amount of posts should be high enough that there's always something to see.