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Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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post #21

Though I agree that this behavior is reprehensible and probably criminal, the comments here seem to miss at least some of the human dynamic here. I can't hardly imagine that most people posting here would ever consider a job where literally every word or sound that came out of their mouth during their entire working life was recorded, and likely subject to public disclosure. Saying that this is what cops signed up fo…

> I can't hardly imagine that most people posting here would ever consider a job where literally every word or sound that came out of their mouth during their entire working life was recorded.

The working life for most hackers is rather privileged, so perhaps most people reading this would not care for such working conditions.

However, more and more "blue-collar" jobs are conducted under similar conditions. 100% surveillance on video. Audio recording. Recording all the calls you take or make in a call centre. Recording when you take bathroom breaks and when you are at your station.

Nanny-cams for cleaners, health-care providers and (well of course) child care providers in private homes. It goes on and on, but if you step outside of our cozy little tech community, you find that people are treated just like any other cog in a machine, which means they are instrumented and monitored at all times.

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#72
post #8

Until police are jailed for this, nothing will improve. What's the US equivalent of the Independent Police Complaints Commission?

There is no national body that oversees police, but Chicago has the Independent Police Review Authority. However IPRA rarely upholds complaints against police (it's staffed by ex-cops and other people connected to the police), and recently an investigator was fired after finding a shooting unjustified[1]. [1] http://www.wbez.org/news/city-fires-investigator-who-found-c...

> There is no national body that oversees police

We have a national body. It's called the citizenry. But, sadly, few people are rising up because it isn't happening in their back yard, or to their children.

Sure there will be comment threads on HN or some Facebook liking, but these are weak responses, and without more, change will come very slowly, and in the meantime thousands more will be trampled on, abused, violated or murdered.

The majority of people who are rising up are only the marginalized people who are the primary victims of police abuse and injustice. All you have to do is look on Twitter and look at the color of people who do the most tweeting about police injustice.

There is no way this would or could continue if a significant amount of the privileged population rose up.

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#73
When they can always get away with slap on the wrist, why not destroy camera or turn it off before shooting someone. Some other cop is going to back any and all claims in court. There is no evidence anyway. They make sure of that. I'm still waiting to see what happened with Ian's case. At least some are indicted because of cams now a days. Turning of cam should have some mark on service records and effect their pay/promotions etc. Whats the need of cop is not to obey and enforce law?

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#74
Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are:

Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained.

Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted"

Watching officers on foot in 7-11's, local shops, etc, just walk in, take what the want, and leave.

Helping a friend move to another city because he ended a relationship with a cop who made his life a living hell after they broke up.

Being accused of trying to "make the neighborhood look bad" when I called the fire department because my neighbor had smoke coming out of the door in his apartment (turns out he was just passed out drunk and left a pizza in the oven, but what else do you do when you bang on a door pouring smoke and no one answers?)

So yeah, once my S/O finishes what she needs to to change jobs, we're out of here I think. The police force here is really the icing on the cake of so much else that's overpriced, corrupt, or just plain sucks about Chicago. All the good things it's supposed to have just seem completely irrelevant to me anymore.

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#75
post #2

I do not understand how these cannot be made idiot proof and cop proof. You can buy the simplest dash cams from China that record HD video and sound that take mere minutes to set up for under a hundred bucks. The first step needs to mandate a tamper proof system and disabling of any police car from leaving they yard unless the device passes on all tests. Then it should be required to report periodically to a central…

I've been on a ride-along with my suburban, middle-America department. The guy had to put clip the wireless mic to his shirt, make sure the antenna was oriented and power it on at go time to save battery. I don't know if there's newer tech that had more of a promise of being able to be made fool-proof from human error much less willful defeat.

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#76
post #12

Just to be clear: what we are looking at is a concerted and coordinated criminal conspiracy to cover up a range of activities including murder.

This can't be upvoted enough. You're right. The police are protected by their dependent partners, the prosecutors. Anyone who does this should at the very least be prosecuted for one of the following: 1. Interfering with a police officer 2. Obstruction of justice 3. Destruction of property Ask yourself why they aren't? Is it the police union? Is it a true explicit conspiracy? What world we we live in that people get…

> Ask yourself why they aren't?

The prosecutors and the officers they're charging may be drinking buddies, or at least have collaborated professionally before. Prosecutors may also fear other officers being unhelpful in the future to the person who charged the latters' buddy.

The prosecutor may also fear having to open every case that officer was involved in to retrial. The prosecutor, themselves, may have logged those cases as wins.

In the end, the system will never work unless an independent prosecutor, with the power to investigate and bring charges, exists for police crimes.

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#77
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We trust cops to protect the weak, to wield and use firearms, and to enforce our laws. This puts them in a tremendous position to abuse their power. The recording devices were installed precisely because abuses of power and criminal activity were already a big problem. The thugs destroyed the recording devices because they want to continue abusing their power, period. For an honest cop, the recordings offer proof of…

Your comment brings up the old and terrible response "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to hide" Is that irony? I never can tell if I use that word right.

The difference between citizen and cop surveillance is that a citizen should be protected from bullying, blackmail, etc. by the government or other citizens over private actions. A cop should do his or her job exactly as prescribed.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

#78
post #74

Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are: Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained. Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted" Watching officers on foot in 7-1…

Helping a friend move to another city because he ended a relationship with a cop who made his life a living hell after they broke up.

I was dating this girl a couple of years ago and we were pretty early on, but she wanted to spend the night. And we were cool so it wasn't an awkward thing, but what I figured out as that she didn't necessarily want to stay the night as much as she was afraid to go home at night. Her reasoning, "My mom just broke up with a police officer and they harass us now." Shes from a super small town with a police force with a reputation for having nothing to do, but staying busy. But even when she said it I thought she might be being dramatic. Now I get it. This type of behavior is ridiculously childish and it might not be the norm, but it seems like something someone could stop.

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#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

awesome idea, kind of similar to the idea that financial market firms were much more prudent when they were partnerships, whose top members had most of their self-worth tied up in that company. Once outside shareholders owned the stock, it made it much more sensible to make big bets, if you win you get a huge bonus, if not, they cant take away all the money you made in previous years.

Glad you agree. I think there are plenty of good suggestions for police reform, but I can see how things like body cameras can descend into messy micromanagement (what's a minimum uptime? What are the penalties? What about mistakes?). Make bad behavior a huge disincentive and police departments will largely sort themselves out. If they are empowered to make their own decisions as to how to do so, they will be more wi…

How will those big payouts happen without the evidence from body cams?

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

#80
post #74

Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are: Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained. Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted" Watching officers on foot in 7-1…

Unfortunately, where to move? The situation is like that all over the USA. The increasing militarization of the police in the past 20 years (one thing about being "old" is you can see these things happen before your eyes) have produced a very bad scene.

I spent a couple years in Chile. They cops there walk around with machine guns (they're called "carabineros") but are professional, uncorrupt and trustworthy. The difference is palpable.

Also felt much safer around the Polezi in Germany.

But leaving the country has its own costs.

I'm thinking maybe remote work will become more of a thing and a small town somewhere relatively rural might be better... but then small town cops in Louisiana were pretty bad in my youth.

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