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Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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post #29

Works fine for me (Mac OS X), and I guess am one of the few who prefers Safari.

Works for me as well. Are you by any chance using duck duck go as your default search provider?

Works fine for me too and I'm using DuckDuckGo on both iOS and Mac.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#53
post #9

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

I can't ditch Firefox for the exact same reason! I NEED to have my tabs on the left side or the right side. I can't have it in the top because I end up not seeing any titles, just favicons, and that doesn't really give me anything. Try the Firefox Developer Edition or Aurora (Alpha channel, rarely crashes but the performance is much better than current stable) together with TreeStyleTabs. Maybe that will help you out…

I recently installed vimium on chrome, and being able to quick navigate to a specific tab via keyboard (by typing the title or selecting it from a list) has completely eradicated my issue with finding tabs on chrome. There's something like vimium on Firefox, but I haven't really looked into it. I mainly use chrome because I use chrome. I just don't feel like putting the energy into setting up Firefox how I like it. currently, my chrome history is synced between a bunch of devices nicely. Between setting up that and having to find alternatives to all the addons I use, making the switch just doesn't sound fun.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#54

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

I think you're just used to Chrome. There isn't really that much seperating Chrome, Safari, and Firefox these days.

Chrome forced the rest to become better.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#55
post #19

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

disclosure: I'm a firefox user. >I think it's the tabs. [...] It's also the best file downloader In what way? The only difference I can see is the download status bar, but that's available on firefox as an extension. >the most configurable debatable, considering firefox has a bunch of about:config options, whereas chrome has a few configurable flags. >has the best extension ecosystem. Can you elaborate this? My impre…

> In what way? The only difference I can see is the download status bar, but that's available on firefox as an extension.

Yes, I've tried to replicate Chrome's UI with Firefox extension. But it feels like I'm using extensions. Furthermore, I really don't enjoy configuring browsers because between work, school, and hobbies I use a lot of different machine. For this reason, if I'm using firefox, it's usually with the default UI... which is not my personal preference.

>> has the best extension ecosystem.

> Can you elaborate this?

Take a cursory glance at each of the two stores:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

vs

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/extensions

Aesthetically speaking, the firefox add ons page is the Tux Racer to chrome's Mario Kart.

One has the passion and enthusiasm of well respected open source volunteers behind it, and the other has a sleek high quality shine only our dear corporate overlords could deliver. This is minor, but it sets the mood the for the whole experience of add ons. (Of which, I only need uBlock Origin"). In general, it's easier to find what I'm looking for, see what's trending, and generally browse for extensions in the chrome store. EDIT: The chrome store is also much faster and more responsive.

Aside from that, Chrome seems to have more active developers because of it's better brand name. On /r/cscareerqustions, for example, you'll hear people ask about ideas for resume-boosting side projects. One of the first answers is usually "make a chrome extension". I have yet to see anyone say "make a firefox extension" or "make a cross platform browser extension".

Either way, it's all personal preference. I'm sure you prefer a different model car, style of clothing, and a favorite color than me too. It's all ok. There's no right answer here.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#56
No issues here on the latest El Capitan and iOS.

Though I wonder if this isn't "accidental" sabotage on Google's part. Wouldn't be the first time. Didn't something from their side break something just for Apple users not long ago? But then again, they have lots of Mac users inside their own company..

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#57
post #32

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How is FF ugly? I don't find the UI very different from Chrome and Safari.

I don't get how he thinks it's ugly or different. Not only is it very similar but, unlike Chrome or Safari, every aspect of it is customizable so you can make it look however you want. Out of the box you can rearrange the the UI elements to match Chrome or Safari.

I absolutely hate the FF UI. I WANT to use FF, I actually switched a few months ago and did it for a couple of months. I THINK my problem (I say think because I feel like someone will measure the pixel and say I'm wrong) is that it feels like there is a ton of wasted space between the tabs, above the tabs. etc. I can't control the size of the top bars and they're huge compared to chrome. I'm a fan of tiny icons and very, very compact UIs so that I can get more on the screen at once. Here's my comparison on a 28" monitor https://www.dropbox.com/s/k32gln7s3ev5a7t/Screenshot%202016-...

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#58

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

I came in here, to share my experience between Safari and Chrome, and it looks like you've iterated exactly the same sentiment. After El Capitan came out, and the changes to Safari, I REALLY gave it a shot. A sleek interface, and certainly fast, but it chews through RAM at an insane rate. There is no rhyme or reason to it, I can have a fresh window open, restore previous session of ten tabs, and after a few hours, ea…

Its hard to parse these responses because everyone says that their browser that they don't use uses RAM at ridiculous rates.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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post #49
post #18

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This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

Not all that different these days. http://imgur.com/qII55SM The new FF UI has been out and stable for nearly two years now.

I'm assuming there's an extension to merge the URL and search bars to get Chrome-like behaviour?

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

#60
post #19

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disclosure: I'm a firefox user. >I think it's the tabs. [...] It's also the best file downloader In what way? The only difference I can see is the download status bar, but that's available on firefox as an extension. >the most configurable debatable, considering firefox has a bunch of about:config options, whereas chrome has a few configurable flags. >has the best extension ecosystem. Can you elaborate this? My impre…

> In what way? The only difference I can see is the download status bar, but that's available on firefox as an extension. Yes, I've tried to replicate Chrome's UI with Firefox extension. But it feels like I'm using extensions. Furthermore, I really don't enjoy configuring browsers because between work, school, and hobbies I use a lot of different machine. For this reason, if I'm using firefox, it's usually with the d…

>One has the passion and enthusiasm of well respected open source volunteers behind it, and the other has a sleek high quality shine only our dear corporate overlords could deliver. This is minor, but it sets the mood the for the whole experience of add ons.

Doesn't Mozilla spend a lot on Firefox development? Like in the hundreds or tens of millions of dollars range? They have very nice and grand offices, lavish even interns with expense paid trips and food, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

[Edit: They spend $212M on Software Development in 2014 alone]

E.g. https://ryanseys.com/blog/summer-at-mozilla/

>Interns at Mozilla, myself included, are truly spoiled rotten. Competitive pay, free travel/housing, free snacks/drinks and catered lunches every week were really just icing on the massive cake that was my internship!

>Oh, and did I mention that Mozilla also sent me to Paris, France?! Yeah, it happened. For my final working week, myself and a handful of the Identity team met up in the Paris office and hacked on Persona, and ate… and drank… a lot!

http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-mozillas-amazing-offic...

http://ngokevin.com/blog/mozilla-day-one/

What kind of open source volunteers have perks like these?

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