Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
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Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#12Or will HTML 5 consign Adobe to the dark ages?
I don't know why Adobe's clinging to Flash so tenaciously anyway. They can't make that much money from it and it always seemed a little tangential to their core competencies of making graphics/DTP software. It's not like they put a lot of effort into it or anything; it has sucked, badly, for years.
Let it go, Adobe. All things must end.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#13To quote what Adobe exactly said: "Flash is enabling over 75% of video on the Web today, the coming HTML video implementations cannot agree on a common format across browsers, so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues."
Ofcourse saying "Back to the dark ages of video due to incompatibility issues" in headline doesn't generate clicks.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think anyone is claiming that "Flash became useless yesterday". hyperbolist was just offering an example of good-looking video via HTML5 to counter the claim that a world without Flash is a world in the dark ages of video.
My point is that unless you are deliberately trying to put words in his mouth (or simply didn't read the article), that link proves the CTO's point, not counters it. Look at the exact quote from our CTO friend: "...so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues." He's not saying the player won't look good or be sexy or whatever, he saying it will th…
Many sites deliver video by H.264 in the absence of Flash. It is seamless to the user, and there are no blue legos. The fact that Flash is missing from iPhones and iPod Touches, and that people with those devices are using the web, produced this situation. The "Dark Age" is already here, and it's not a dark age.
The link I submitted is indeed both an example of the "Dark Age problem" of HTML5 (that Firefox refuses to support H.264); and that video can be delivered quite satisfactorily via HTML5, without Flash.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#15While Flash is pretty awful, I think it's plain the only reason Apple doesn't want it on their devices is because it allows for functionality that Apple don't want you to access without you paying them. http://listen.grooveshark.com/, for example, completely voids any reason to pay for music over iTunes. Not to mention the thousands of games and other content that offers an alternative on their proprietary store front hardware.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#16Or will HTML 5 consign Adobe to the dark ages?
I don't know why Adobe's clinging to Flash so tenaciously anyway. They can't make that much money from it and it always seemed a little tangential to their core competencies of making graphics/DTP software. It's not like they put a lot of effort into it or anything; it has sucked, badly, for years. Let it go, Adobe. All things must end.
After looking briefly at their 2009Q4 conference call transcript, they reported "Platforms" (Flash) revenue at around $47 million and "Creative solutions" (photoshop, etc) around $430m out of ~ $750m total. I'm not sure if you can cleanly separate out how much Flash is worth to them, since I'm sure part of that Creative solutions revenue is for Flash authoring tools.
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/pdfs/q409Script...
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#17Adobe could fix almost all of this by open sourcing the Flash Player.
http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Projects
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#18I'm not so sure about things like vector graphics animations, but I'd be willing to bet that Flash has lost online video with HTML5. About time too. Flash is a plague of the modern browser and I will be happy when I'm rid of it (Click2Flash already does most of that). Google/Youtube HTML5 HD H.264 is amazing. What used to take up 95% of a core in Flash now takes 2%. Here's what I have to say about Flash: good riddance.
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#19While Flash is pretty awful, I think it's plain the only reason Apple doesn't want it on their devices is because it allows for functionality that Apple don't want you to access without you paying them. http://listen.grooveshark.com/ , for example, completely voids any reason to pay for music over iTunes. Not to mention the thousands of games and other content that offers an alternative on their proprietary store fro…
Yes, because there're aren't Last.fm and Pandora apps, not to mention thousands of games, for free in the app store. The app store that comes free on the hardware. And I totally bought every singe one of the 9,358 songs in my library from the iTunes store.
Say what you want about Apple's approval policies or how the iPad is going to kill babies because it's closed, but the lack of flash is clearly a performance/user experience decision over a political one.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#20Or will HTML 5 consign Adobe to the dark ages?
I don't know why Adobe's clinging to Flash so tenaciously anyway. They can't make that much money from it and it always seemed a little tangential to their core competencies of making graphics/DTP software. It's not like they put a lot of effort into it or anything; it has sucked, badly, for years. Let it go, Adobe. All things must end.
Agreed. No one pays for the flash player, so who cares what the player is. Just become the best at content creation. There will always be a huge market for creating all of what flash does today.