Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
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Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
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Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#2http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#3Or will HTML 5 consign Adobe to the dark ages?
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#4I'm all for the dark ages if it means I might finally get vertical synced video playback (which even Flash 10 still cannot do, so I get to enjoy obvious screen tearing in hulu, youtube and amazon videos).
The fact that Adobe continues to ignore details like vsync makes me wonder if they even know what a good video playback experience would look like.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#5http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
That returns 'Browser not Supported' in Firefox.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#6http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
I go to that site with Firefox and it tells me my browser is not supported. Firefox.
This is precisely his point, web video used to be like this. "Firefox support is in the works". People are past the point where they need to have something "in the works" to do something as simple as showing their audience a video.
I am the biggest open web advocate you will find, but I don't see why its necessary to lie about the current state of affairs. HTML5 video is not ready for prime time. Will it be at some point? Of course. But pretending it is today is silly and distracts from fixing its obvious failings. The need to encode your video into multiple formats is a big deal, the fact IE doesn't support it at all is a big deal, the question of how to insert dynamic ads reliably into videos for people like Hulu is a big deal. Not to mention its still pretty darn buggy. The idea that Flash became useless yesterday is a joke.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#7http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
I go to that site with Firefox and it tells me my browser is not supported. Firefox. This is precisely his point, web video used to be like this. "Firefox support is in the works". People are past the point where they need to have something "in the works" to do something as simple as showing their audience a video. I am the biggest open web advocate you will find, but I don't see why its necessary to lie about the cu…
I don't think anyone is claiming that "Flash became useless yesterday".
hyperbolist was just offering an example of good-looking video via HTML5 to counter the claim that a world without Flash is a world in the dark ages of video.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#8http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
I go to that site with Firefox and it tells me my browser is not supported. Firefox. This is precisely his point, web video used to be like this. "Firefox support is in the works". People are past the point where they need to have something "in the works" to do something as simple as showing their audience a video. I am the biggest open web advocate you will find, but I don't see why its necessary to lie about the cu…
This isn't about just playing video. This is about integrating video into the web instead of leaving it partitioned in a plugin somewhere. None of my Firefox extensions can interact with Flash video (except AdBlock which just removes it from the page). On the other hand, you can use javascript and canvas to do really cool things with video in the browser.
Examples:
http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/add-ambiance-to-your-videos...
http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/connecting-html5-video/
http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/pop-art-video/
and the same with audio:
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I go to that site with Firefox and it tells me my browser is not supported. Firefox. This is precisely his point, web video used to be like this. "Firefox support is in the works". People are past the point where they need to have something "in the works" to do something as simple as showing their audience a video. I am the biggest open web advocate you will find, but I don't see why its necessary to lie about the cu…
I don't think anyone is claiming that "Flash became useless yesterday". hyperbolist was just offering an example of good-looking video via HTML5 to counter the claim that a world without Flash is a world in the dark ages of video.
My point is that unless you are deliberately trying to put words in his mouth (or simply didn't read the article), that link proves the CTO's point, not counters it. Look at the exact quote from our CTO friend:
"...so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues."
He's not saying the player won't look good or be sexy or whatever, he saying it will throw us back into the times when watching video depended on what OS/browser/codecs you had. This link demonstrates that exactly.
Instead of laughing at him and brushing of what he is saying by pointing to some demo that doesn't work in most people's browsers, we should take it as valid criticisms and demand the standards bodies get it together and fix these problems.
Re: Adobe: HTML5 Will Throw the Web 'Back to the Dark Ages of Video'
#10http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
I go to that site with Firefox and it tells me my browser is not supported. Firefox. This is precisely his point, web video used to be like this. "Firefox support is in the works". People are past the point where they need to have something "in the works" to do something as simple as showing their audience a video. I am the biggest open web advocate you will find, but I don't see why its necessary to lie about the cu…
Will it be at some point? Of course.
You don't understand. Yesterday, the fact that Firefox didn't support the video was "something that will be fixed one day, who knows when, maybe before 2020". Today, it is a big bug which needs to be addressed ASAP.
People don't compare managing software projects to herding cats just to be cute. Getting everyone to pull in the same direction really is 90% of the job. You need to start a stampede.
(The classic way to get programmers stampeding toward an actual product? Threaten to ship the product. Then, carry out that threat.)
The position of the players has not changed. But the second derivative has changed, and the first derivative will follow...