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Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by noondip »

unprepare wrote: post #69
tkyjonathan wrote: post #66

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Everyone should be mindful about getting all the nutrients they need. Having said that, vegans miss 3 vitamins, regular meat-eaters miss 8.

>regular meat-eaters miss 8 huh? If i eat everything that a vegan eats plus a serving of meat - how am i missing nutrients that the vegan is not? or did you actually mean people who have poor eating habits? (who also happen to eat meat)

Parent is probably referring to nutrient deficiency in the general population, which is almost exclusively not vegan. As I recall, the deficiencies are calcium, iodine, vitamin C, vitamin E, fiber, folate, magnesium, and potassium. If you ate everything a vegan did, I'm willing to wager you would be full, and wouldn't be hungry for meat. I think the point is, the plant-based diet is less calorie dense, but more nutrient dense, so one is more likely to develop deficiencies from eating mostly animal products.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

noondip wrote: post #71
unprepare wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>regular meat-eaters miss 8 huh? If i eat everything that a vegan eats plus a serving of meat - how am i missing nutrients that the vegan is not? or did you actually mean people who have poor eating habits? (who also happen to eat meat)

Parent is probably referring to nutrient deficiency in the general population, which is almost exclusively not vegan. As I recall, the deficiencies are calcium, iodine, vitamin C, vitamin E, fiber, folate, magnesium, and potassium. If you ate everything a vegan did, I'm willing to wager you would be full, and wouldn't be hungry for meat. I think the point is, the plant-based diet is less calorie dense, but more nutri…

Lewis & Clark boatmen all suffered from terrible skin problems after a year eating only wild game. Their Indian guide who stewed up vegetables every evening was fine.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by adamqureshi »

pc86 wrote: post #21
tkyjonathan wrote: post #8

Whole-food plant-based vegan here. Life is good. Energy is high.

Okay, so we've got the unrelated vegan comment, there's already an unrelated CrossFit comment, all we need is someone to mention they're an atheist and we've got the trifecta. It's almost as if nutrition is incredibly complex and different things work for different people.

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Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by lfowles »

stinos wrote: post #19
nkrisc wrote: post #5

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If you noticed no difference, that seems like a good sign it might be alright for you. That said, based on people I know, those who should not be eating dairy or wheat get various levels of intestinal distress if they do; it's pretty obvious. But most importantly, consult a doctor or other medical professional if you need more information.

it's pretty obvious this is what I don't get: author says most should avoid dairy, you (and others) say it's easy to recognize problems with eating it. Yet the vast majority of all people I know have no problems with dairy whatsoever. So is the author wrong, does he mean something else, do I live with people who can't recognize problems originating from dairy use or do I live with a special subgroup of people who all…

It's pretty obvious when you connect the dots, but lactose intolerance (like many things) is a spectrum. Personally, milk with my cereal occasionally is fine, but I have a pretty bad night if I mow down a full bowl of ice cream (or as I am wont to do yearly, several glasses of egg nog).

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by masonic »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #72
noondip wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent is probably referring to nutrient deficiency in the general population, which is almost exclusively not vegan. As I recall, the deficiencies are calcium, iodine, vitamin C, vitamin E, fiber, folate, magnesium, and potassium. If you ate everything a vegan did, I'm willing to wager you would be full, and wouldn't be hungry for meat. I think the point is, the plant-based diet is less calorie dense, but more nutri…

Lewis & Clark boatmen all suffered from terrible skin problems after a year eating only wild game. Their Indian guide who stewed up vegetables every evening was fine.

What is your source for this? It directly conflicts with Ambrose's book, which is perhaps the best-researched history of the trip.

Members of the Corps all had a meat ration of 5 lbs. a day (when available) for everyone, including native guides (none of whom was on the whole trip) and Sacagawea.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

masonic wrote: post #75
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lewis & Clark boatmen all suffered from terrible skin problems after a year eating only wild game. Their Indian guide who stewed up vegetables every evening was fine.

What is your source for this? It directly conflicts with Ambrose's book, which is perhaps the best-researched history of the trip. Members of the Corps all had a meat ration of 5 lbs. a day (when available) for everyone, including native guides (none of whom was on the whole trip) and Sacagawea.

They would plan campsites to suit Sacagawea so she could get her 'potos' (sp?) which were the plants she cooked for herself?

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #76
masonic wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your source for this? It directly conflicts with Ambrose's book, which is perhaps the best-researched history of the trip. Members of the Corps all had a meat ration of 5 lbs. a day (when available) for everyone, including native guides (none of whom was on the whole trip) and Sacagawea.

They would plan campsites to suit Sacagawea so she could get her 'potos' (sp?) which were the plants she cooked for herself?

Here are some references to skin problems:

https://franceshunter.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/scurvy-and-th...

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by pluma »

tkyjonathan wrote: post #65
pluma wrote: post #55

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Funny you should mention that. As a Christian I think you should eat everything there is because if God put it there, He obviously intended us to use it.

I thought God mentioned something about humans protecting animals? Then fall of man happened and something changed..

You'd think so but as with any religion there are different interpretations. There's a very libertarian (economically speaking, not civil rights) strand of Christianity that can be summarized in what I parodied: because the world was intelligently designed it's our god-given right to subdue nature and make the best use of it.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by oh_sigh »

noondip wrote: post #62
oh_sigh wrote: post #51

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Yes they are

No, they're not. Unlike animals, plants lack a central nervous system, which would allow them to feel pain and ultimately suffer. Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does. But you cannot say plants and animals have the same capacity for sentience. Even if that were true, it should be immediately apparent animals require more plants to feed throughout their lifespan than do…

> plants lack a central nervous system

Is a CNS required for sentience? If so, why do most vegans(that I can find online) agree that it would be wrong to eat a jellyfish, which generally lacks a CNS?

> Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does

Not even close to correct. Plants attempt to establish dominance in their domain from other plants by gathering more resources, can respond to try and protect themselves from certain types of pests/blight/fire, etc.

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