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Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by DrScump »

ideonexus wrote: post #20

I've always appreciated Michael Pollan's essay (and books) on this subject. His advice can be summed up as "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." [1] In his books he argues strongly against the nutritionist strategy of trying to separate out the healthy components of foods from the foods themselves. For example, I know many nutritionists who take vitamins, but Pollan points out when you take the Vitamin C without t…

Actually, both were completely unknown to the Old World until brought from the new world, as were potatoes. ("Corn" was previously a generic term for edible grains.)

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by noondip »

oh_sigh wrote: post #51
shlant wrote: post #23

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well it's a good thing plants aren't sentient then.

Yes they are

No, they're not. Unlike animals, plants lack a central nervous system, which would allow them to feel pain and ultimately suffer. Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does. But you cannot say plants and animals have the same capacity for sentience. Even if that were true, it should be immediately apparent animals require more plants to feed throughout their lifespan than do vegans.

I hope you made this comment out of ignorance, not arrogance. Take a look at http://adaptt.org/veganism.html - The Insipid "Killing Plants" Argument, if you're honestly sure plants and animals are the same.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by stinos »

noondip wrote: post #33
stinos wrote: post #25

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Definitely try to figure out where your supplement comes from.. Ideally, after seeing this [1] and other negative reports on quality of some supplements, you'd almost have to put it through a spectrum analyzer to make sure [1] www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/supplements-and-safety/

The brand I purchase is Jarrow which seems reputable. Is there a practical guide to inexpensive home testing? I guess an alternative is annual B12 injections from your physician or some sort of wellness center. For the record, the only other supplement I take is an algae-based EPA/DHA pill and I'm told all brands of such are manufactured in one place.

Is there a practical guide to inexpensive home testing?

None that I know, might exist though. I mean, you can buy dead cheap properly working test kits for MDMA for instance, then why not for B12 you'd wonder.

But rather than testing the B12 itself you might just (or also) test if you have enough of it. Many vegans I know make a yearly appointment with their doctor for a blood test looking for defficiencies in a number of substances. Most are always fine btw. Oh and google came up with this: http://www.testcountry.com/products.html?product=1883. Again, hard to tell if it's ok - but you could compare it with blood test results. Then again, blood test might be cheaper than this kit.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by enqk »

devy wrote: post #46
enqk wrote: post #26

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Only if you believe the process followed by GMO engineering is the same as the process of selective breeding

So your point is ... the same or not?

Well I am careful because I am not a specialist. One would however expect GMO engineers to use techniques that are atypical of the way nature explores the possibility space. It is telling that they call it engineering, which requires intent and goals.

Therefore I don't think knowing that selectively bred organisms have been safe so far says anything about the safety of GMOs.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by tkyjonathan »

pluma wrote: post #55
pc86 wrote: post #21

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Okay, so we've got the unrelated vegan comment, there's already an unrelated CrossFit comment, all we need is someone to mention they're an atheist and we've got the trifecta. It's almost as if nutrition is incredibly complex and different things work for different people.

Funny you should mention that. As a Christian I think you should eat everything there is because if God put it there, He obviously intended us to use it.

I thought God mentioned something about humans protecting animals? Then fall of man happened and something changed..

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Post by tkyjonathan »

legulere wrote: post #44
noondip wrote: post #9

The evidence for plant-based, low-fat vegan diets seems more convincing to me. Is there a paleo version of http://nutritionfacts.org - complete with direct links or citations to research supporting the proposed way to eat? I'm not trying to be snarky, but rather genuinely curious what scientific basis this diet really has. The article says we're wise to limit saturated fat intake and increase fibre intake, but isn't…

> The evidence for plant-based, low-fat vegan diets seems more convincing to me. There are several nutrients you can easily be undersupplied with if you're not watching out really carefully: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism#Nutrients Those can be easily supplied by eating a small amount of meat and other animal products without loosing the benefits of a mostly plant based diet.

Everyone should be mindful about getting all the nutrients they need. Having said that, vegans miss 3 vitamins, regular meat-eaters miss 8.

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by JennyGrayson »

I know most of us start a diet just to lose weight (I know I did), but paleo has really become a lifestyle, and a life changing decision for me. Losing weight was just an added bonus, but the true benefits were great for my health in general. I'm using the paleo grub cookbook, you can check it out at http://lookingupstuff.com/weightloss/2015/04/23/paleo-grubs/

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by unprepare »

tkyjonathan wrote: post #66
legulere wrote: post #44

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> The evidence for plant-based, low-fat vegan diets seems more convincing to me. There are several nutrients you can easily be undersupplied with if you're not watching out really carefully: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism#Nutrients Those can be easily supplied by eating a small amount of meat and other animal products without loosing the benefits of a mostly plant based diet.

Everyone should be mindful about getting all the nutrients they need. Having said that, vegans miss 3 vitamins, regular meat-eaters miss 8.

>regular meat-eaters miss 8

huh?

If i eat everything that a vegan eats plus a serving of meat - how am i missing nutrients that the vegan is not?

or did you actually mean people who have poor eating habits? (who also happen to eat meat)

Re: Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer

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Post by adamqureshi »

pc86 wrote: post #18
adamqureshi wrote: post #16

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The problem is simple carbs and addiction to sugar. Try ween of simple carbs and excess sugar. Veggies and meat / fish. Takes about 6 months to get off and get used not eating or very little amounts of simple carbs and little sugar. Also try intermitting fasting. Works for me. I feel great and workout / cross fit daily with my first meal around 2pm and last meal around 7-8pm

Your answer to "how do I find out if I have to avoid dairy or wheat?" is to ween off of simple carbs and sugar?

lol. Crap i went off on a tangent! Answer to your question: I honestly don't know, but i suppose testing would be your best bet. Yeah and try crossfit, or calisthenics!
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