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Why Are Corporations Hoarding Trillions?

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Re: Why Are Corporations Hoarding Trillions?

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If the companies spent their savings, rather than hoarding them, the economy would instantly grow, and we would most likely see more jobs with better pay. The article makes it sound like these dollars are somehow being removed from the economy. If they're put in a bank, the bank loans it out to someone else. If they buy treasury bills, the government then takes the money and spends it. Even if all this money was conv…

> If they're put in a bank, the bank loans it out to someone else. If they buy treasury bills, the government then takes the money and spends it. good call, this is Econ 101 stuff that most people just don't know. Saving money in a bank or government bonds is not the same as locking it in a vault or burying it in your backyard. It is still out moving around in the economy.

"It is still out moving around in the economy."

What is this money doing if there is not profit perspective? Nothing. Nobody is claiming that we are short of money, the claim is that this money is not invested.

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HN is a terrible place for conversations about complex economic issues. Many comments seem to be both confused about basic concepts and trying to make political arguments. Not a recipe for enlightenment.

Yeah, I've noticed the average knowledge standard for programming issues is very high, economics less so. Then again I'm not sure where you do go for exceptional conversations about economics.

It's not that hard. This is an entrepreneurs/programmers forum. If you want better economics insights, go to where economists hang out.

A few ideas: Read popular blogs of well-known respected economists, look at their comment's section. You'll find both really good articles, and serious discussions between actual economists.

Re: Why Are Corporations Hoarding Trillions?

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The US is out of demand. Workers are spent out. Thus, there's no need to increase output, because nobody has the money to buy it. The US has huge excess manufacturing capacity, thousands of malls which could handle more traffic ("there's always parking at Sears", a rather pathetic ad), and services which could handle more business. There's a glut of capital, plenty of available unemployed or underemployed workers, no…

And a major reason workers are spent out is because of high rents. If the US would build enough housing in the major employment centers that the highly skilled workers wouldn't spend 90% of their after-tax income on fixed expenses, they'd have more money to spend to drive other businesses. All the disposable income is being sucked into rents, and eventually that will make the economy run slower and slower, fewer sale…

Land, or housing, Rent are ridiculous in the 20th century. Depending on where you live you may finally get the bad taste of this medicine.

I remember some journals ( it was Financial Times or Wall Street etc type ) making the relationship case. Stating people has actually been making less money when rent is deducted.

The cost of living is high, people used to say this without putting things into perspective. Cost of Foods / Transport and Rent may be high in London, but you do get a higher minimum wages. Compared this some South Asia Countries where Cost of Foods and Transport is low but Rent is exceptionally, and there may be no minimum wages or wages are comparatively low.

Our of the all four cost of living, Food, Transport, Clothes and Home, Home takes the biggest cost percentage. More then 50%. And it happens that only Home; Land, Rent / Property prices is an investment option out of the 4, and are suspected to be driven up and down by market / monopoly / government.

The world needs to start looking into Property market and tax on its profits, both selling or leasing. As well as allowing % of rent to be deducted in tax calculation.

I strongly believe, that anyone making more then the average median income ( so called middle class ) should be able to afford to buy or rent a house, that has heating in winter and can afford a 10 min Hot shower without skimming on their entertainment like movies, and be able to have decent meals a week while making some savings. The world we are at now are having middle class passing more of their wealth into property market and their living standard aren't that much different then lower class.

Re: Why Are Corporations Hoarding Trillions?

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I don't get it. The article does not point out even an attempt to ask the leaders of the said corporations - "Why?". Its better to ask to get some semblance of their thinking instead of pure speculation.

The author seems to have a kind of old century overconfidence in the value of the dollar. I hope he uses only one currency for pratical reasons.

And I would rather read an article that use ratios between liquid/static moneys those corporations got instead of random values.

(I'm one of those that believes static money has no value, had and/or may have, but in reality it's absolute zero).

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The government might not be powerless, but exercising such power would be disastrous. Also, >After a couple million in losses Leads me to believe you don't really understand the numbers we're talking about here. That's missing at least a couple of zeros.

Not at all. Shareholders would begin screaming at the management to pay the taxes almost immediately. Losses wouldn't even make it to $100 million before management was replaced.

How on earth does replacing the management affect US tax code?

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We have succeeded as a civilization: we are providing far more than we could ask for. Really? There is nothing you could improve in the human condition that would make life better?

I should have said that "we are providing the maximum that we possibly can". It just seems like there's no marginal benefit to increased productivity right now. There's lots we could do to hurt the human condition: we could always just put a bunch of people to work building weapons, and have those weapons kill a bunch of unemployed people. But if there could exist some grand new way to improve the human condition rig…

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The poor would love to have newer cars, consume more services, have nicer homes, etc. So then how are we producing more than we need? People regularly die from starvation, but the world produces more than enough food to feed everyone. It is a problem of distribution.

To say this is merely a problem with distribution is absurd. There are hundreds of thousands of vacant homes in San Bernardino, there are many thousands of homeless that could easily be transported there. If those homeless were to move into those homes they would soon be evicted or arrested and imprisoned. This is an issue with ownership, not distribution. Much food from local restaurants, cafes, and grocery stores i…

That's the exact same thing. If we say wealth is not distributed evenly, that's the same thing as saying that only a few people own most things and many people own hardly anything.

Redistributing wealth means spreading out ownership more.

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a simple response would be progressive taxation. Tax assets, ideally non productive ones, and redistribute to the poor for use in non discretionary spending - like dinner. A modern "new deal" for elder care would also do the trick..

Taxes might be a good short term band-aid, but I suspect that there will need to be reform in labor laws for lasting effect.

What kind of reforms would be possible? My concern is the impact on SMEs and also competitiveness, but looking at what goes on in the USA vs. Europe it's clear that there is gigantic room for manoeuvre

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A basic minimum income is the right answer, but not for the purpose of increasing demand. People demanding to increase demand is utterly silly. We have succeeded as a civilization: we are providing far more than we could ask for. In the big picture, what does increasing demand really do for us? But there's definitely a need to reduce poverty. And there's a need to allow ourselves to stop working as hard as we do. A b…

We have succeeded as a civilization: we are providing far more than we could ask for. Really? There is nothing you could improve in the human condition that would make life better?

We haven't "made life better" since we learned how to make fire, seems odd to think we'd start now. Making shit and making life better are two distinct things. Economic production and wealth creation are just fun games.

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The poor would love to have newer cars, consume more services, have nicer homes, etc. So then how are we producing more than we need?

Just because some people can't afford things doesn't mean those things aren't over-produced. Every year there are a large, large number of brand new cars that don't get sold, and are marked down when the next model year comes in. Likewise there are structures that get built and never sell out. A building of condos near my house never got bought, so they turned them into apartments for far, far cheaper than they were…

That doesn't really make a lot of sense. Demand is pretty predictable for stuff like that, and the producers have no reason to waste resources producing more than is necessary.

And even when they do overestimate demand, like you said, it gets marked down. So it all gets consumed in the end, and the producers might not even take that big of a loss depending on how much it was marked down. And the poor people benefit from that too of course.

Unless people start throwing away new cars then they aren't over producing.

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