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Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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I would avoid sites like Upwork (aka: odesk), elance, and anything similar like the plague unless working for less than minimum wage and dealing with morons is your idea of good contract work. I suspect the secret to contract work success lies in having really good networking skills and a Rolodex of contacts from having worked in a given industry and having a reputation as someone who delivers. If you don't have that…

I have been working exclusively through upwork for 2 years and make a good living off it (I also live in Australia, it's not like I can charge 10$/h). I would highly recommend people give it a try, you will be surprised that there are lots of client out there looking for talent who are ready to pay correctly or premium.

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The one thing I always tell anyone on the job hunt (which in your case is finding contract work), which few ever seem to take me up on: Informational Interviews.

These are informal "Can I take you out to coffee?" talks with people in your industry to see what they are working on, what is happening with them, what is going on in the industry. Every job I have ever gotten is through informal meetings with people I have met through my network (whether its your old job, your friends, parents, relatives, or other).

At the end of every one I ask: "Is there anyone else you think I should talk to?" and "Do you currently have any opportunities at your company for me?". Rinse repeat. I guarantee that after investing in 30 informational interviews you will find work.

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I was offered $150/hr to manage a project once and so I accepted. I figured it out along the way and delivered the results. Since then, I start with an estimate of $150/hr when I'm calculating price. I've had one person balk and say thats crazy. one . Everyone else has either came back and said that they can't afford that, that they'd like to pay $XXX instead. Or they've said yes to $150/hr. What happens if you encou…

I know people with more than a decade of experience struggling to get $75/hr (granted, they don't do PM work - just coding). It is amazing that you pulled it off in less than a year. Neat!

Tell them to double their rate! I'm not joking.

Just start quoting double. It's a negotiation.

Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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I have a different approach to finding contract work, particularly as I don't have much work experience. Upwork and similar websites have not worked well for me. Instead, I browse job boards and when I find an interesting role I contact the company. If they are interested in my background and the fit is right, I sell them on setting up a contract relationship instead of full-time employee. Sometimes it works, other t…

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Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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> If you pick a bad client, or a job where you need more time than you anticipated to complete it, you might end up underpaid These things are easier said than done. Could you share a bit about what you've learned in the way of avoiding bad clients and estimating your work?

Estimating your own prices is something even I have trouble doing after 10 years, so I won't be too much help there. But to avoid bad clients, you really just have to make sure you talk to them and fully understand the project before accepting the job. Bad clients will always have red flags early on. If you talk to them for 30 minutes and the job is already twice the size you initially thought it was, you might be wi…

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Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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I would avoid sites like Upwork (aka: odesk), elance, and anything similar like the plague unless working for less than minimum wage and dealing with morons is your idea of good contract work. I suspect the secret to contract work success lies in having really good networking skills and a Rolodex of contacts from having worked in a given industry and having a reputation as someone who delivers. If you don't have that…

I have been working exclusively through upwork for 2 years and make a good living off it (I also live in Australia, it's not like I can charge 10$/h). I would highly recommend people give it a try, you will be surprised that there are lots of client out there looking for talent who are ready to pay correctly or premium.

Maybe you can share your strategy then because I dabbled in it a few years back and found it to be full of people willing to work for less than $10 per hour.

The majority of projects advertised seemed to be things like web scraping, homework cheating, people who wanted computer software to pick a magic lottery number, etc...

Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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A lot of people are saying job websites don't work. I don't agree with them. I've been consulting over a year (US-based, near NYC) and I've found plenty of very good clients (small and large) through freelancing websites. Few loose guidelines I've used to help me with applying to gigs: 1) Evaluate if you think the person understands the value of the work, and only reply if you can somewhat-confidently answer "yes." 2…

Can you elaborate on #2 ?, are you saying that starting a good relation is more important?

Maybe the client wants contractors that can read between the lines - someone who understands the scope of the job and is experienced enough to recognize the $5 price as a placeholder.

Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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What's the context? Which country are you in? What are your skills? If you're in the UK... I've been contracting about 3 years now and started it the simple (and probably dumb) way - stick a resume up on jobsite.co.uk, wait for agents to call. Lots will. Be nice to them on the phone but be firm about what rates and locations you're willing to work. You'll get lots of useless ones who haven't even bothered to read it,…

I'd be interested to hear how you made the jump to contracting? I find myself wanting to make the jump from my permanent job (in London) but being anxious about whether or not it's the right time to do so, if my skill set (sysadmin/devops) as it stands will provide value to clients, if I have the right mix of personal qualities to make a success out of it, etc.

Bloody-mindedness mostly.

I worked permanently for various companies in and around London for about 10 years, then got sick of London, moved to Australia, did a couple more years permanent work there, then decided to move back to the UK. At that point I was sick of being an employee and had a vague offer from a friend to help bootstrap a startup, which fell through. So in lieu of having an idea to start up a company myself I decided I was going to be a contractor, set myself up a limited company and started throwing my CV at anyone that asked. I have got most of my contracts through agencies that called me, not through contacts.

Making the leap can be tricky - if you have a notice period longer than one month you may have to quit your current job and then look for contracts afterwards. A lot of people want contractors to start now. You may not find one for a month or more, I've had dry patches lasting a couple of months before, and it might be another month after you start before you can invoice, and it could be another month again before you get paid, so you need a financial cushion.

As soon as you get your first contract you'll need an accountant. These come in at about £100 per month. I use Nixon Williams, this is not necessarily a recommendation, they deal with hundreds of contractors, the service is streamlined but pretty basic and if you need anything out of the ordinary they probably won't do it.

Errr.... time of year may have an effect, like a lot of things it seems to be easier to find work in the first few months of the year, though I have had two start in November/December.

Anything else you want to know?

Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know people with more than a decade of experience struggling to get $75/hr (granted, they don't do PM work - just coding). It is amazing that you pulled it off in less than a year. Neat!

Tell them to double their rate! I'm not joking. Just start quoting double. It's a negotiation.

You are probably right, but most people (at least techies) just aren't comfortable with asking for more money :(

Re: Ask HN: What sites do you use to find contract work?

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Don't charge by the hour but by the value This sounds like a recipe for disaster to me without a lot more explanation. Time is the main cost to a provider, so it's very natural that time would also be the driver for billing. "Charging for value" sounds like you're trying to say "fixed price" without actually saying it. I have many, many issues with trying to do fixed price projects of any appreciable size (say, more…

Some clients are rich. You could charge by what you feel you're worth, say $50/hr. Or you could charge by what they value the work at - at that might be 4x as much. They might be used to paying $200/hr, and are happy to do it. That mentality is similar to charge by value.

Demanding a higher rate allows clients to select for themselves whether they will be on your client list.
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