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Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by force_reboot »

PRJIUS2 wrote: post #39

Posted last two times[1][2] one of these stories came around, comment applicable here: As a preamble there most definitely existed anti-semitism in Soviet Union. I am a Russian living in the US with Jewish family in Russia. This is a throw away account. With that said, stories of anti-semitism told by Russian Jews in US should not be taken at face value. These folks are subject to a very strong selection bias. Most o…

Furthermore, when people are described as refugees from anti-Semitism, without going into specifics, this gives a very different impression to the public, than when they are described as people moving away due to the same kind of discrimination that Asian Americans face in university admissions.

It's the lack of direct comparisons, which in turn follows from the lack of specifics, that allows people to get an exaggerated sense of the extent of anti-Semitism.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by gist »

hackuser wrote: post #77
gist wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"attributed to". Reminds me of when I am in my car at a stop light and a man looks over at me. I always think "wow if I was a woman or if I was black I would think that that is the reason they are looking at me".

> I always think "wow if I was a woman or if I was black I would think that that is the reason they are looking at me". This statement imagines what an imaginary person would be thinking, and implies that it represents the thinking of billions of people. I wish my subjective imagination was so reliable. Think of all the time I could save studying facts, improving my analytical skills, and most of all, learning from a…

Why the snark? What I said wasn't politically correct in some way? Use of stereotypes? Please elaborate.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by fennecfoxen »

matt-attack wrote: post #41
fennecfoxen wrote: post #20

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> How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? Since you ask, I'll repeat myself. Suppose you have lots of people applying for 100 slots in the university. Affirmative action at a US university designed to give you a quota of, say, 10% minorities could, in the worst case, crowd out qualified persons #91-100. "Jewish questions" deployed against…

I'm sure your argument makes #95 feel much better.

It's not designed to make #95 feel better. It's designed to make you feel bad about equating #95 to a guy who probably would have gotten shipped off to Siberia with all his family and many of his friends if Stalin had lived a few more years than he ended up doing.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by 13thLetter »

to3m wrote: post #89
matt-attack wrote: post #41

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I'm sure your argument makes #95 feel much better.

How would they know they were #95? It's not clear why failed applicants would automatically leap to the theory that they didn't get in because of affirmative action, rather than just assuming they weren't good enough. Competition for good academic institutions is generally stiff enough that this is the most likely reason anyway.

"It's not clear why failed applicants would automatically leap to the theory that they didn't get in because of affirmative action, rather than just assuming they weren't good enough."

Why wouldn't they? People generally look for an explanation of bad events that doesn't put the blame on themselves. Even better, if it defines a specific culprit and paints them as a villain. "I didn't get into X because they discriminated against me, those racist bastards" is therefore a very appealing narrative.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by frandroid »

jaxomlotus wrote: post #65
frandroid wrote: post #63

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Too bad the Zionist subset is so intent on their solidarity with each other that they're conducting a slow ethnic cleansing of all other non-Jews on the lands that they occupy...

I've lived in Israel and never observed any ethnic cleansing, slow or otherwise. I'm not a zionist. I was just a student studying abroad and have both Israeli and Arab friends (from variety of Middle Eastern countries). I do hear that term thrown around a lot on the Internet by social justice warriors. Honest question: Have you ever been to Israel? What was your experience like when you were there to have contributed…

I have not been there, but I use something called the Internet to learn about more than my physically-accessible world.

Anyway have you been to the Occupied Territories while you were there?

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by RivieraKid »

rogersmith wrote: post #43
RivieraKid wrote: post #27

I wonder why are Askhenazi Jews apparently more intelligent on average... seems that genetics is the main factor, not culture, but I can imagine research in this area is discouraged and controversial.

Key word in that sentence would be "apparently" (although feel free to provide hard data backing that claim). A just as probable explanation (and equally controversial and possibly discouraged)would be that Ashkenazi Jews may or may not have acquired a disproportionate influence (wrt to the %age of the population they comprise), allowing them to be over-represented in certain fields giving them the appearance of bein…

Just research it for a bit (google "ashkenazi intelligence"), I think it's pretty evident.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by hackuser »

gist wrote: post #92
hackuser wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always think "wow if I was a woman or if I was black I would think that that is the reason they are looking at me". This statement imagines what an imaginary person would be thinking, and implies that it represents the thinking of billions of people. I wish my subjective imagination was so reliable. Think of all the time I could save studying facts, improving my analytical skills, and most of all, learning from a…

Why the snark? What I said wasn't politically correct in some way? Use of stereotypes? Please elaborate.

My reasoning is what I said. But I agree, the snark was inappropriate. Sorry.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

kurthr wrote: post #55
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #53

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Evidence? Citations? (other than stormfront or other nazi or islamist websites)

I shouldn't even respond to this, because it can only cause problems, but really... Hollywood? NY Diamond trade? I don't really have a problem with them (not being in those industries), but that someone in the US could be unaware is bizarre.

So, the Jews control Hollywood? That canard's been around for a while. What's bizarre is that you didn't include money lending.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by rogersmith »

RivieraKid wrote: post #96
rogersmith wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Key word in that sentence would be "apparently" (although feel free to provide hard data backing that claim). A just as probable explanation (and equally controversial and possibly discouraged)would be that Ashkenazi Jews may or may not have acquired a disproportionate influence (wrt to the %age of the population they comprise), allowing them to be over-represented in certain fields giving them the appearance of bein…

Just research it for a bit (google "ashkenazi intelligence"), I think it's pretty evident.

Best I could find is a shady Wikipedia article referencing a controversial study, not exactly compelling evidence... Nevermind that scientists cannot even agree on a standard valid unit of measurement for "intelligence".

edit: Just google "white men can't jump", i think it's pretty obvious

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by _yosefk »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #20
_yosefk wrote: post #18

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How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? The dictionary definition of "discrimination" says there's no difference. Is the definition that says there is a difference some sort of a moral standard? What are the thresholds of that standard - at what point group members outdoing others warrants affirmative action and by how much the numbers of…

> How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? Since you ask, I'll repeat myself. Suppose you have lots of people applying for 100 slots in the university. Affirmative action at a US university designed to give you a quota of, say, 10% minorities could, in the worst case, crowd out qualified persons #91-100. "Jewish questions" deployed against…

I wasn't arguing with your analysis of the differences between asking different people different questions and asking everyone the same questions but then holding different people to different standards. I was only arguing that "discriminating against a group", taken literally, is equivalent to "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field", taken literally. That is, I was arguing with that sentence, without assuming that these two names for what I claim are the same general thing are also names for two different discrimination methods (which are two different specific things as you pointed out.)

Regarding "intent, technique and impact" - I agree on technique and impact, intent is a thornier issue; certainly nobody ever instituted discrimination for reasons they proclaimed evil, it's always done in the name of "righting wrongs," and then real intent as opposed to proclaimed intent is very hard to establish. From my own point of view, at the gut level, some discriminators seem to act much more maliciously than others, but I'm not sure there's always a reasonable argument to support my gut feeling.

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