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Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by matt-attack »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #20
_yosefk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? The dictionary definition of "discrimination" says there's no difference. Is the definition that says there is a difference some sort of a moral standard? What are the thresholds of that standard - at what point group members outdoing others warrants affirmative action and by how much the numbers of…

> How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? Since you ask, I'll repeat myself. Suppose you have lots of people applying for 100 slots in the university. Affirmative action at a US university designed to give you a quota of, say, 10% minorities could, in the worst case, crowd out qualified persons #91-100. "Jewish questions" deployed against…

I'm sure your argument makes #95 feel much better.

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Post by gist »

PRJIUS2 wrote: post #39

Posted last two times[1][2] one of these stories came around, comment applicable here: As a preamble there most definitely existed anti-semitism in Soviet Union. I am a Russian living in the US with Jewish family in Russia. This is a throw away account. With that said, stories of anti-semitism told by Russian Jews in US should not be taken at face value. These folks are subject to a very strong selection bias. Most o…

"attributed to".

Reminds me of when I am in my car at a stop light and a man looks over at me. I always think "wow if I was a woman or if I was black I would think that that is the reason they are looking at me".

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by rogersmith »

RivieraKid wrote: post #27

I wonder why are Askhenazi Jews apparently more intelligent on average... seems that genetics is the main factor, not culture, but I can imagine research in this area is discouraged and controversial.

Key word in that sentence would be "apparently" (although feel free to provide hard data backing that claim).

A just as probable explanation (and equally controversial and possibly discouraged)would be that Ashkenazi Jews may or may not have acquired a disproportionate influence (wrt to the %age of the population they comprise), allowing them to be over-represented in certain fields giving them the appearance of being "more intelligent on average"?

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by notdonspaulding »

tacon wrote: post #33

In the early 1900s, Harvard was on track to be a Jewish dominated university, and they made the (then common) decision to limit Jewish enrollment.[1] In reading that article, I learned that even Richard Feynman was affected by Columbia's quota, and ended up at MIT instead. (Go MIT!) Non-meritocratic quotas exist to this day at all elite US universities, with one exception: Caltech.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

Thanks for chiming in with this, I did not know Caltech was an academically-uncompromising institution.

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by analyst74 »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #20
_yosefk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? The dictionary definition of "discrimination" says there's no difference. Is the definition that says there is a difference some sort of a moral standard? What are the thresholds of that standard - at what point group members outdoing others warrants affirmative action and by how much the numbers of…

> How is "discriminating against a group" different from "balancing its overwhelming predominance in a particular field"? Since you ask, I'll repeat myself. Suppose you have lots of people applying for 100 slots in the university. Affirmative action at a US university designed to give you a quota of, say, 10% minorities could, in the worst case, crowd out qualified persons #91-100. "Jewish questions" deployed against…

What happens to minorities if they exceeded their "quota"? Do you put them back to their place?

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by randycupertino »

gist wrote: post #42
PRJIUS2 wrote: post #39

Posted last two times[1][2] one of these stories came around, comment applicable here: As a preamble there most definitely existed anti-semitism in Soviet Union. I am a Russian living in the US with Jewish family in Russia. This is a throw away account. With that said, stories of anti-semitism told by Russian Jews in US should not be taken at face value. These folks are subject to a very strong selection bias. Most o…

"attributed to". Reminds me of when I am in my car at a stop light and a man looks over at me. I always think "wow if I was a woman or if I was black I would think that that is the reason they are looking at me".

Instead you just use it to validate your extreme attractiveness, right? :) "I'm looking good today, check out everyone sneaking a peak at me!"

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Post by awl130 »

tacon wrote: post #33

In the early 1900s, Harvard was on track to be a Jewish dominated university, and they made the (then common) decision to limit Jewish enrollment.[1] In reading that article, I learned that even Richard Feynman was affected by Columbia's quota, and ended up at MIT instead. (Go MIT!) Non-meritocratic quotas exist to this day at all elite US universities, with one exception: Caltech.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

it's happening today to Asian students in a less overt fashion

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by awl130 »

RivieraKid wrote: post #27

I wonder why are Askhenazi Jews apparently more intelligent on average... seems that genetics is the main factor, not culture, but I can imagine research in this area is discouraged and controversial.

if your people are traditionally discouraged or outright banned from (A) large swaths of roles including land ownership, politics, military and farming and (B) intermarriage with the host country then they are more likely to (1) be filtered into occupations requiring intellectual capital and (2) intramarry to continue a cycle that enforces that strength

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by Chinjut »

tacon wrote: post #33

In the early 1900s, Harvard was on track to be a Jewish dominated university, and they made the (then common) decision to limit Jewish enrollment.[1] In reading that article, I learned that even Richard Feynman was affected by Columbia's quota, and ended up at MIT instead. (Go MIT!) Non-meritocratic quotas exist to this day at all elite US universities, with one exception: Caltech.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

I was under the impression UC Berkeley was similar to Caltech in this regard?

Re: Jewish problems (2011)

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Post by jedberg »

Chinjut wrote: post #49
tacon wrote: post #33

In the early 1900s, Harvard was on track to be a Jewish dominated university, and they made the (then common) decision to limit Jewish enrollment.[1] In reading that article, I learned that even Richard Feynman was affected by Columbia's quota, and ended up at MIT instead. (Go MIT!) Non-meritocratic quotas exist to this day at all elite US universities, with one exception: Caltech.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

I was under the impression UC Berkeley was similar to Caltech in this regard?

It is, but people sometimes don't list it as "elite" because it's a public university.
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