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Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by vetinari » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 8:48 AM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #248

vetinari wrote: post #230

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Stallman also had a reason for that. If he wouldn't insist on respecting GPL for GCC, there would be no GPL licensed Objective-C compiler, because Jobs would simply never free-source it.

Except that clang is free, under a completely open license, which completely and utterly negates your second sentence.

Except that at the time Jobs fought FSF, so he wouldn't need to open the ObjC sources. He lost that fight.

It's called knowing history. Just because two decades later Apple decided to fund open-licensed clang does not negate my second sentence. Clang was no longer considered competitive advantage, like ObjC was at the beginning of 90s.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 8:49 AM UTC

tracker1 wrote: post #264

patio11 wrote: post #259

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Let me delicately observe that there is a straightforward reason why one has HIPAA-protected information in one's address book and it implies you make hundreds of HIPAA violations routinely.

Honestly, I think HIPAA may have been a net negative to the medical industry and has probably prevented the basic sharing between medical practices and related services that it was supposed to more readily allow. The lawyers have benefited a lot, and the abstract details insurance companies have gathered, but refuse to disclose based on HIPAA grounds to their own customers about themselves and medical practitioners t…

HIPAA mandates that the people have access to their own PHI held by covered entities, a mandate which did not exist before HIPAA, so it did the opposite of creating additional barriers to patients getting access to their own data.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by fapjacks » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 9:16 AM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #165

fapjacks wrote: post #156

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I'm genuinely curious which projects you are thinking of when you mention Apple. Shedding GPLv3 and refusing to (for example) update Bash because they do not want to use anything licensed under GPLv3 is pretty.... I dunno, I'm just curious what projects you're thinking of when you say that. The walls of that garden are pretty high.

So getting rid of GPLv3 means they can't be doing anything good in open source? Nevermind CUPS, LLVM, Swift, and WebKit just to name a few? GPL isn't the only license in town, and clearly there are disadvantages to it.

What "disadvantage" are you referring to? The one that forces companies to give back in the same manner that allows them to use the work of others for free? Yeah, that is so shitty.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by fapjacks » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 9:21 AM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #159

fapjacks wrote: post #156

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I'm genuinely curious which projects you are thinking of when you mention Apple. Shedding GPLv3 and refusing to (for example) update Bash because they do not want to use anything licensed under GPLv3 is pretty.... I dunno, I'm just curious what projects you're thinking of when you say that. The walls of that garden are pretty high.

Swift comes to mind.

Oh, you mean the language Apple created to make their fucking painful app development process easier?

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by cszerzo » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 9:36 AM UTC

wanda wrote: post #193

Surprised they use WordPress to build this website. I thought they'd use Umbraco at the least. It doesn't surprise me though. ASP.NET is a powerful platform which has seen some great improvements after MVC gained traction, but I wouldn't use it for anything simple where a static site generator or WordPress would get the job done.

So are you surprised or not? :)

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by norswap » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 10:58 AM UTC

Does anyone have a technical comment about the merits of this vs Node?

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by kookook » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 11:53 AM UTC

Don't care really what you do Microsoft. Your legacy of vendor lock-in, monopoly market, unethical business strategies and even bribes still lives on today with your toy OS. You set us back many, many years. Hopefully this free and open movement will be your undoing.

Unfortunately there are people here right now that are paid to shill your crap and constantly come up with excues like "things have changed". Yeah right, like I will forget what you have done.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by undigestable » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 12:11 PM UTC

kookook wrote: post #287

Don't care really what you do Microsoft. Your legacy of vendor lock-in, monopoly market, unethical business strategies and even bribes still lives on today with your toy OS. You set us back many, many years. Hopefully this free and open movement will be your undoing. Unfortunately there are people here right now that are paid to shill your crap and constantly come up with excues like "things have changed". Yeah right…

'sent from my iphone'

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by JupiterMoon » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 12:18 PM UTC

krisdol wrote: post #180

carussell wrote: post #124

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It's a good point, but it matters for Apache licensed code, too, because Apache 2.0 has a self-destruct clause in the patent grant to keep all parties' lawyers in check. CLAs (like the one Microsoft uses) routes around that. The way this ends up working for Microsoft projects licensed under Apache 2.0 is that it essentially allows Microsoft to do anything with the contributions (as if it were licensed under MIT, with…

>I'm totally confused about why people are having a problem with this comment. It seems like half of this submission is a graveyard. Disappointing.

Anything that discusses MS seems to attract this kind of rather heavy down-voting.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Post by mikekchar » Thu, Jan 14, 2016, 1:10 PM UTC

jsingleton wrote: post #138

vmorgulis wrote: post #67

> ChakraCore > The MIT License (MIT) > Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation Incredible! https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore/blob/master/LICENSE....

Great stuff. I've worked professionally in the .NET development ecosystem for almost a decade and I've never been so enthusiastic about the direction that Microsoft is taking. Their embracing of open source practices is very positive and will help to retain and maybe even attract developers. You just don't have to worry about licensing any more this way. You can actually sit an MCP exam in MS product licensing, it's…

I might be wrong, but I think the attitude change really started with .NET. I'm not sure that many people remember the "shared source" version of .NET. I worked at Corel, who was contracted to work on it, at the time. Although I didn't work on the project itself, I interacted with quite a few people who did.

I'm not going to pretend that MS "got it" at the time. "Share Source" was an insult to everyone. However, internally you could see light bulbs going off in people's heads. People who worked on the shared source version were proud of what they were doing and were really eager to have people look at it. The fact that "shared source" essentially crippled it to the point that it would be useless to everyone was surely a thorn in those people's sides. It (and every other shared source project) died in obscurity (thankfully).

I often wonder if this was one of the seeds that eventually sprouted inside MS to make them start to take open source seriously. I even wonder if one day we will see them embrace software freedom. Well... I can dream can't I ;-)