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Cisco Must Be Held Accountable for Aiding China’s Human Rights Abuses

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Re: Cisco Must Be Held Accountable for Aiding China’s Human Rights Abuses

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Post by est »

wmt wrote: post #50
est wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falun was banned by mainland China simply because it's a Taiwan backed cult organization to gather intel & support coup in government seniors and military. The rest is media propaganda.

Yeah right. Until 1999 it received wide support from Chinese officials, but then decided it was too big and started a silly propaganda campaign feeding the gullible with lies like you just told at the same time when they started a violent persecution. At least they had learned something from the bloody Tienanmen massacre, and this time instead sending military to murder piles of unarmed civilians carried out the murd…

Quick quiz for you: exactly how many people died on that square you mentioned? If not, where are the killing happened? Which side draw first blood?

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Post by SixSigma »

mc32 wrote: post #25

It's not the people who provide goods who should be prosecuted but the people who carry out the actual bad who must be held to account. On the other hand, China [or any country with baddies, perh including our own] is a sovereign government and beside some economic pressure I don't know there is much more we should be able to do. Unless Cisco violated some commercial embargo or egregiously violated export law, etc.

So the U.S. should just let anyone export nuclear weapons manufacturing information and these trade restrictions lifted?

http://www.state.gov/strategictrade/overview/

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Post by EGreg »

I can't believe this is happening today. I know that ideologies use humans to build organizations and do battle with each other, but I thought we were past the Stalinist purges and atheist totalitarianism. This makes anything the US does to Muslims pale in comparison. How does China grant freedom of religion to five religions only?

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Post by Frqy3 »

mtgx wrote: post #45

Glad this is finally coming to light. Every time I would mention it here that Cisco has built backdoors in its routers specifically to aid the Chinese government and later other governments as well, I would get downvoted. Cisco standardized the "lawful intercept" protocol for routers at the IETF, people! What did you think that meant?! The US government (hopefully after it elects a saner president) and other supposed…

Those 'democratic' countries you mention are using the same features themselves.

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Post by venomsnake »

cpjk wrote: post #47
united893 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falun Gong is an evil litigious cult created in 1992 as a way to raise money for the founders and cult leaders. They're unscrupulous, including promising terminally ill cancer patients the possibility of healing if they just redirect their remaining wealth toward the cult. They're the Chinese equivalent to Scientology, but even worse. Their teachings are racing, homophobic, sexist and misogynistic. They preached that…

Does that make it right to persecute and torture them?

Only if you subscribe to the "evil deeds done against bigots are not really evil" doctrine.

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Post by EGreg »

iofj wrote: post #23

The problem there is not the US government. The problem there is religion - a specific religion to be extact. Once we start actually holding islam to the standard of modernity we may make progress here, but as long as we shy away from criticizing and shaming the religion publicly - it will keep doing this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human... Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is the chair of the meeti…

"The problem there is not the US government. The problem there is religion - a specific religion to be extact."

One might say that China's militant atheism is in many ways similar or even worse than Saudi Arabia's pervasive Islamism. Both have "religious" police. But China is even more brutal.

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Post by venomsnake »

colanderman wrote: post #33
tim333 wrote: post #18

It seems clear Cisco knew their systems were going to be used against Falun Gong. Leaked Cisco presentation: "Cisco Confidential 57 © 2002, Cisco Systems The Golden Shield Project: Public Network Information Security Monitor System • Stop the network-related crimes • Guarantee the security and services of public network • Combat “Falun Gong” evil religion and other hostiles [Note: Statement of Government goals from s…

> • Combat “Falun Gong” evil religion and other hostiles "Evil religion", wow. I wouldn't have thought a disbelief in moral relativism could make a government official sound so much like a third grader. I feel sorry for the millions of civilians whose lives are negatively affected by this Li buffoon.

You must think Orwellian - what is the only real evil thing in 1984 - the dissent unsanctioned by the government.

My wild guess is that the original was something along the lines of disorder/troublemakers and got lost in translation.

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