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Re: Freenode sucks
#32Bram Cohen's Aspergers is well-publicized ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_43/b41050468... ) and essential context for anything you read about/by him.
I think this is the difference between a reason and an excuse. Though his condition may have contributed to his behavior, it's still not a reasonable way for an adult to act. Part of the burden of Aspergers is having to learn what others intuitively understand about social interactions. I hope Bram learns something from this.
Re: Freenode sucks
#33Bram Cohen's Aspergers is well-publicized ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_43/b41050468... ) and essential context for anything you read about/by him.
"Cohen never sought a formal diagnosis but turned his considerable attention to the matter" Self-diagnosis. Are you fucking kidding me? Just because you were picked on in highschool and are a huge pain in the ass to work with, doesn't mean you have Aspergers. Guess what, Bram Cohen's probably just an asshole who writes good software.
Watch any of his talks or speak to anyone who has ever worked with him.
It's not just about being rude but genuinely not understanding the socially correct behaviour to his own detriment.
Exhibit A: not realizing that it is a bad idea to post a chat transcript of you dressing down a volunteer to a free service.
Re: Freenode sucks
#34Bram Cohen's Aspergers is well-publicized ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_43/b41050468... ) and essential context for anything you read about/by him.
I think this is the difference between a reason and an excuse. Though his condition may have contributed to his behavior, it's still not a reasonable way for an adult to act. Part of the burden of Aspergers is having to learn what others intuitively understand about social interactions. I hope Bram learns something from this.
I completely agree and don't think it excuses his misbehavior but rather helps explain it.
I'll leave the moralizing and righteous indignation to the others.
Re: Freenode sucks
#35Bram Cohen's Aspergers is well-publicized ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_43/b41050468... ) and essential context for anything you read about/by him.
I find that really patronizing. The subtext of your comment is that "people with Aspergers can't help but be douches with a massive ego". On the contrary, I think that many people with Aspergers are quite nice. Autism is not an excuse for publicly "shaming" a Freenode volunteer.
From my experience, I think Aspergers can be an excuse for saying irrelevant things like changing the subject to baseball cards in the middle of a conversation or casually commenting on someone's weight, not realizing that that is taboo. However, it has little to do with entitlement and in general being rude.
I don't want Aspergers to become synonymous with douche and ego. When someone says something awkward or inappropriate -- sure. Don't associate it with "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM -- FIX THIS YESTERDAY -- I'M POSTING THIS ON MY BLOG". That's not Aspergers.
Re: Freenode sucks
#36Bram Cohen's Aspergers is well-publicized ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_43/b41050468... ) and essential context for anything you read about/by him.
I find that really patronizing. The subtext of your comment is that "people with Aspergers can't help but be douches with a massive ego". On the contrary, I think that many people with Aspergers are quite nice. Autism is not an excuse for publicly "shaming" a Freenode volunteer. From my experience, I think Aspergers can be an excuse for saying irrelevant things like changing the subject to baseball cards in the middl…
You can read whatever subtext and be as offended as you wish. My only purpose was to highlight his well-known issue with Aspergers.
You can do with it as you like.
Re: Freenode sucks
#37For future reference, a good way to handle this would be: "The #bittorrent channel on Freenode has been getting trolled hard lately and I no longer have access to it due to the following policies that I think suck: . After talking to a Freenode support member, they refuse to budge on these so I have moved #bittorrent to irc.bittorrent.com, please join us there!" Wrong way to handle it: Paste the transcript of you sma…
Even better way (IMO) to handle it: Register a new nick, ask a Freenode support member to give him OP-access to #bittorrent. Ban trolls - have lunch.
Re: Freenode sucks
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I specifically made zero comments on freenode's policy. My comment was specifically about Bram's demeanor and his interactions with the admin. I realize that he's good at what he does and contributed a lot, but it's like seeing someone being awfully rude to a waiter, it just gives you a sense of who they are as a person. You can tell a lot about a person at how they handle the inanity of everyday life, like for insta…
Sure, but I think pretty much everyone given a bit of ego massaging would at some point pull a "Do you know who I am?" at some point if they were pissed off enough. Personally I don't hold that against anyone. It's just human nature.
Personally, I do. In addition to showing a distinct lack of class, in cases like this it also dilutes the advantage of being well known in the first place.
Thanks to "who he is," Bram can direct the attention of a lot of eyeballs. A levelheaded post calling out the policy and the problems it causes would have focused those eyeballs on the policy; a ranty chat transcript that shows you repeatedly playing the d-bag card focuses those eyeballs on your willingness to play the d-bag card. It's a stupid, counterproductive distraction and a wasted opportunity, assuming you actually care about solving the root problem.
Re: Freenode sucks
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Cohen never sought a formal diagnosis but turned his considerable attention to the matter" Self-diagnosis. Are you fucking kidding me? Just because you were picked on in highschool and are a huge pain in the ass to work with, doesn't mean you have Aspergers. Guess what, Bram Cohen's probably just an asshole who writes good software.
Watch any of his talks or speak to anyone who has ever worked with him. It's not just about being rude but genuinely not understanding the socially correct behaviour to his own detriment. Exhibit A: not realizing that it is a bad idea to post a chat transcript of you dressing down a volunteer to a free service.
Not understanding social contract is not necessarily Asperger's. Also, exhibit A could also be seen as not caring, there is no proof that he did not realize.
Re: Freenode sucks
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but I think pretty much everyone given a bit of ego massaging would at some point pull a "Do you know who I am?" at some point if they were pissed off enough. Personally I don't hold that against anyone. It's just human nature.
Personally, I do. In addition to showing a distinct lack of class, in cases like this it also dilutes the advantage of being well known in the first place. Thanks to "who he is," Bram can direct the attention of a lot of eyeballs. A levelheaded post calling out the policy and the problems it causes would have focused those eyeballs on the policy; a ranty chat transcript that shows you repeatedly playing the d-bag car…
idk... people get pissed when their account gets shutdown.
When Google decided to shut off my account for a week, I was pretty angry. If I'd contacted google, and they'd told me they have a policy of deleting accounts that aren't used for 60 days, I would have probably ranted at them a lot.
I don't think the fact people are volunteers really means you can't be angry with them if they have a silly policy.