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Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by BigZaphod » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:28 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #8

Asperger and 'being a meanie' can sometimes be confused. I know Bram's diagnosis isn't official but it seems obvious to most that meet him that's he's a little different. Edit: Okay I just RTFA and Bram does seem very douchy. If I was the admin I would have handed his ass to him 1/4 of the way through the conversation when he threw his first insult. And I would have invited him to make a stink in public ... just spel…

We're all a little different. That doesn't give him a free pass to be an ass, IMO.

Edit re: your edit - lol! :P

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:29 PM UTC

BigZaphod wrote: post #11

josefresco wrote: post #8

Asperger and 'being a meanie' can sometimes be confused. I know Bram's diagnosis isn't official but it seems obvious to most that meet him that's he's a little different. Edit: Okay I just RTFA and Bram does seem very douchy. If I was the admin I would have handed his ass to him 1/4 of the way through the conversation when he threw his first insult. And I would have invited him to make a stink in public ... just spel…

We're all a little different. That doesn't give him a free pass to be an ass, IMO. Edit re: your edit - lol! :P

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Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by cmelbye » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:31 PM UTC

While I agree that he was being a complete jerk to the volunteer, there is some truth to this. Freenode has a policy of reserving the "main" channel namespace (only one hash like #bittorrent or #wikipedia) to officially registered groups. This process is carried out by filling out a long form and waiting for approval. Due to lack of volunteers willing and able to clear out the queue, it takes maybe half a year at minimum. It's nice that Freenode has a system for officially registering groups, but they really should not be actively enforcing rules relying on that if they have no plans to reliably process the gigantic queue.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by jeff18 » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:39 PM UTC

BjornW wrote: post #5

Although I've only seen a part of a presumably actual conversation (haven't tried to confirm it using other sources) I do find the attitude shown by Bram Cohen to be something I would not have expected from 'one of the most well known and respected people in the whole open source community'. It actually saddens me to see an open source programming 'role model' of mine behave like a spoiled child I do understand the f…

The source for the transcript is Bram Cohen's official blog.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by bps4484 » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:45 PM UTC

sailormoon wrote: post #4

yan wrote: post #2

" and I hope you realize that you just completely pissed off one of the most well known and respected people in the whole open source community" Funny thing about respect, is it takes a while to build up and can be lost in a heartbeat. edit: what's interesting is how respectful the freenode admin was throughout this whole transcript. If anything, kudos to freenode.

While it's true that Cohen acts like a bit of a douche, I think his point is rock solid. 60 days expiration for lack of use is ridiculous. And the admin he spoke to may have stayed polite, but his glib refusal to do anything to solve an obvious problem, while endlessly reciting some BS rules out of some FAQ somewhere as if they were unbreakable laws of physics, is a terribly attitude and reminds me of the most disint…

In addition to their deeds, I respect people for kind and humble souls. I can understand being upset about the situation (and I agree with you that his point is rock solid, the 60 day expiration is ridiculous), but the fact that he 1) made the claim that he was famous, and 2) having had the time to calm down and reread the conversation, thought there was nothing wrong with what he said and posted it to his blog, makes me lose repect for him.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by jeff18 » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:47 PM UTC

For future reference, a good way to handle this would be:

"The #bittorrent channel on Freenode has been getting trolled hard lately and I no longer have access to it due to the following policies that I think suck: . After talking to a Freenode support member, they refuse to budge on these so I have moved #bittorrent to irc.bittorrent.com, please join us there!"

Wrong way to handle it:

Paste the transcript of you smacking a Freenode volunteer around with your 10 foot long e-peen.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by axod » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:48 PM UTC

yan wrote: post #2

" and I hope you realize that you just completely pissed off one of the most well known and respected people in the whole open source community" Funny thing about respect, is it takes a while to build up and can be lost in a heartbeat. edit: what's interesting is how respectful the freenode admin was throughout this whole transcript. If anything, kudos to freenode.

Are you saying you think the policy of expiring nicks after 60 days is a great idea? And the # channels are not to be used unless you fill out a form and wait 6 months?

I'm kinda biased, but I think some of the policies are borderline insane.

We're sort of used to registering something, and it being there a few months later if we need it. I don't see why you need to delete peoples registrations if they have been on holiday for a couple months. That's just really irritating - I'm not surprised he was pissed.

There's a ton of other great networks out there, so if you're setting up a new channel, don't just default to putting it on freenode (IMHO).

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by ellyagg » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:49 PM UTC

I can't believe he thinks it's a good idea to post this conversation. Apparently he's not aware that several of his lines are straight parodies of the Bad Guy in popular entertainment.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by Gonsalu » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:55 PM UTC

dylanz wrote: post #9

6 months? That's pretty lame, and I'd be a bit peeved as well. Having to go through that entire process of re-registering, etc, just to get an account back and admin'ing that group? I'm glad this isn't a global policy on email addresses or website registrations!

Actually, it's 60 days.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 30, 2010, 6:58 PM UTC

ellyagg wrote: post #18

I can't believe he thinks it's a good idea to post this conversation. Apparently he's not aware that several of his lines are straight parodies of the Bad Guy in popular entertainment.

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