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How Facebook makes us dumber

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Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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> Once people discover that others agree with them, they become more confident -- and then more extreme.

And then the example plus explanation.

> Arriving at these judgments on your own, you might well hold them tentatively and with a fair degree of humility. But after you learn that a lot of people agree with you, you are likely to end up with much greater certainty

This mechanism is considered extreme? Why? When a lot of people agree with me on some issue then naturally I'll be more confident in expressing my views.

So what if Facebook pairs tin foil hat wearers together so they can share their views? I doubt that they'll start believing that they are now the mainstream.

I suspect that the writer of this article just deeply resents the fact that persons with out of the norm beliefs or thoughts can now effectively organise and exchange ideas which in turn directly threatens the journalists monopoly on creating the mainstream narrative.

It is a good thing that ideas and views from other perspectives are now widely available online. You now can watch RT and then CNN or FOX and conclude that basically all of these channels are just feeding us propaganda crap with different goals.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

#32

What I don't get is dumb companies who post a link to their FB(or some other social media) page on their site: 1. You're advertising another company for free. Is Facebook paying you to put their logo on your site? No. 2. When people like/follow your page, they are trapped by FB(or some other social media) and you can only reach them there. If you're banned or they pull bait-and-switch on you, like Facebook did, you'v…

People are much less likely to enter in their email address and join a mailing list about dishsoap, than they are to click a "like" button next to an advertisement for dishsoap.

That you can pay Facebook to reach those people again has value, that's why people do it.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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What I don't get is dumb companies who post a link to their FB(or some other social media) page on their site: 1. You're advertising another company for free. Is Facebook paying you to put their logo on your site? No. 2. When people like/follow your page, they are trapped by FB(or some other social media) and you can only reach them there. If you're banned or they pull bait-and-switch on you, like Facebook did, you'v…

At one point people estimated that a Facebook like was worth quite a lot of money. I am quite sure that now the value has greatly diminished, nevertheless I do think that it is better than having an e-mail.

There are several reasons for that:

- First (at least for me), an unsolicited e-mail goes directly into trash and I seek the unsubscribe button. Under no circumstances I am interested in additional stuff somebody has to offer beyond the first service.

- People who did not buy your stuff/service can still like you on Facebook, they can do it after they have forgotten some login to your site etc.

- The single best advertising that actually works is recommendation from friends. I think that seeing that somebody else liked something on your feed gets pretty close to that.

- People do like to have all of their "Internet" in one place. Why go to mail if they can have everything in their feed?

- If you use Facebook then they solve a huge number of stuff for you - administration, spam filtering, server hosting, account management (there are other solutions to this of course, but it is good to be able to throw all of this on somebody else)

- I think posting on media sites wastes no more time than creating mailing lists and also requires less tools.

- Advertising for Facebook is mutually beneficial, the more people there are, the more you can reach.

- Also, ads on Facebook have great reach (from what I have heard) and are quite cheap.

- I would hazard a guess that most people are more likely to have notifications on for Facebook rather than e-mail.

Facebook is also probably not going to fail, preparing for this scenario is a nice thought exercise but at some point you have to have some faith in your suppliers. Same goes for Google (mail, docs), Dropbox (file history), Github (issue tracker, code reviews).

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

#35
What most people forget about networks like Facebook (or twitter for that matter) is that just a misinformation can spread quickly, corrections of that information can to.

What FB have helped with is to make sure that neither newspapers nor politicians will be able to communicate in a vacuum.

What we see now is the first steps of a more enlightened society not a dumber one because dissent both gets normalized and much better access to minds it didn't before.

Of course there is going to be people who think alike or people who only befriend people who think exactly like them. But the second they want to spread their gospel outside their groups they are going to be met with a lot of other perspectives and thats a good thing.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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post #25

Reddit too. I just wrote 500 words without using any logical fallacies backing up my assertions with scientific studies from trusted sources, why does my comment have -12 points without a single person taking the time to refute my position in a comment? I believe managed, licenced hunting in Africa supports conservation efforts, there is no reason ever to spank or hit a child, all children should be vaccinated, and p…

I just wrote 500 words without using any logical fallacies backing up my assertions with scientific studies from trusted sources This is why you're getting downvoted. That's not how you convince people.

I think that might be the crux of the issue. Convincing people and making a logical argument aren't the same thing and are only tangentially related.

The former requires a level of emotional intelligence and coercion in addition to any logical arguments. Why? Because people are people and they will only resent you if you just mechanically present arguments even if you're 100% right. They will look for any reason to say you're wrong even if it doesn't make sense. That's why sometimes, it's just not worth participating in some arguments. Context matters.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just out of curiosity why do you think children should never be spanked? Do you have children?

I'm not going to say that spanking isn't an effective way to discipline a child. I can also understand if a 3 year old walks into a street to feel like spanking the child. There is overwhelming scientific evidence that other forms of discipline for small children are more effective at correcting behavior and children who are spanked are often more violent towards other children with other developmental and learning p…

Just out of interest, what is the overwhelming scientific evidence? Is it causal or just correlational? Because I can imagine tons of reasons why children who are often spanked have more problems in school - not least, reverse causality - that would not imply you should never spank your child.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

#38
What social networks bring is the explosion of the hierarchy of information that mainstream media and politicians imposed on us for decades.

That's why a lot of media/politics criticizes social networks because it questions their role and place in the society.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

#39

What I don't get is dumb companies who post a link to their FB(or some other social media) page on their site: 1. You're advertising another company for free. Is Facebook paying you to put their logo on your site? No. 2. When people like/follow your page, they are trapped by FB(or some other social media) and you can only reach them there. If you're banned or they pull bait-and-switch on you, like Facebook did, you'v…

> 1. You're advertising another company for free. Is Facebook paying you to put their logo on your site? No.

First of all, it doesn't matter. Facebook is not your competitor, so you're not harming yourself.

Secondly, Facebook is an immensely popular communications platform. Even if for some reason you dislike them because they're privately owned, it doesn't change the fact that that's where people are. If you want to reach people, you want to be where they are.

> 2. When people like/follow your page, they are trapped by FB(or some other social media) and you can only reach them there.

Facebook is not trapping anyone inside. If you mean that you can't contact them out-of-band, then well, that's by design and actually a feature.

> If you're banned or they pull bait-and-switch on you, like Facebook did, you've wasted all this time building user base for Facebook and not building your business.

Most businesses come to the rational conclusion that this almost never happens, and the small risk is worth being where the customers are.

> 3. You can't even reach them on Facebook, because you now have to pay Facebook to reach people that have already liked your page.

That is totally by design and again, very much a feature.

For some reasons businesses think they're entitled to "reaching out" to people with their unsolicited offers. They're not. We don't want your spam. Neither your, nor that of any of hundreds of companies we deal with every month. The etiquette here is the Hollywood principle - don't call us, we'll call you.

> 4. Posting on social media wastes a lot of time and money(tools + people).

It's actually simpler than writing quality e-mails, or quality snailmails. There is some additional work because people will reach out to you more through Facebook than through conventional channels, and you need someone to handle the communication.

> - Compare this to getting an email address from your visitors:

> 1. You are in control of your list.

Which is something we, the customers, don't want.

> 2. You can reach them anywhere & anytime almost for free.

And that we absolutely, positively don't want most of the time.

I mean, I get it. There are some exchanges we both agree that we want to have. You can't make a reliable newsletter via Facebook, nor I would like to get my account info through Messenger. But please move your ad communications to Facebook, where they will be unobtrusive for us and properly curtailed by the platform.

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