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X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by datalist »

nly wrote: post #58
tgb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the article's second paragraph says: > Apparently for the past half-year there have been some "ownership struggles" of the X.Org domain name, which the X.Org Foundation Board of Directors have been trying to resolve in private.

Still, if they're fighting for ownership, you'd think whoever has their finger on the button right now would at least have the decency to cough up $10 to renew it. It doesn't really make sense. Mr Shimans name is in the whois database, surely he has the authority? I wonder if anyone has bothered to take a 15 minute drive from MIT to meet him.

Not his name is in the database, but only an apparently related email address.

Problem is the entire domain does not resolve at the moment.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by datalist »

cbhl wrote: post #68
nly wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, if they're fighting for ownership, you'd think whoever has their finger on the button right now would at least have the decency to cough up $10 to renew it. It doesn't really make sense. Mr Shimans name is in the whois database, surely he has the authority? I wonder if anyone has bothered to take a 15 minute drive from MIT to meet him.

The renewal rate might be closer to $60/year, considering how old the domain is. (That's how much a .com cost in the 90s.)

Prices of domains (usually; some registries do have premium concepts) are not stuck to their original registration but change over time.

x.org is registered with Network Solutions though and they never lowered their prices when domains actually got cheaper (=when the concept of registrars was introduced). So one-year renewal is still US$35 (http://www.networksolutions.com/domain-name-registration/pri...).

Nonetheless, in this case $35 should equally not be a problem either.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by datalist »

danvet wrote: post #31

To all the armchair domain admins commenting here: It's a single-letter domain in one of the traditional non-country TLDs. It only exists because it was grandfathered in in 1993 [1] I'm pretty sure no one here ever dealed with such a situation ever. If you try to change anything in its registration without supplying it in a legally watertight package delivered by lawyers nothing at all happens, not even extending the…

The domain statuses are not any different from other n-lettered domains.

Yes, single-letter domains are grandfathered but I wouldnt be aware of any special mandatory procedures for them as you mentioned. Please do provide a source otherwise.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by kmicklas »

KMag wrote: post #75
kmicklas wrote: post #63

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> The difference is subtle to non-native speakers of European languages. I don't think that's an accurate generalization. If anything, European languages are probably _more_ likely to morphologically distinguish nouns and verbs than normal, with English being an exception. (I don't have hard data to back this up though, could be wrong.)

I expect native speakers of English and other European languages to have less trouble than my girlfriend, who is not a native speaker of English or any other European language. If (as you suppose) English and other European languages are likely to make large distinctions between nouns and verbs, then native speakers of those languages would more naturally notice the distinction in the sentence without having it point…

The point is that the reason for trouble here is that English is _not_ making a morphological distinction. Since most European languages do make more of a distinction, speakers of European languages should be _more_ confused. Of course many non-European languages make distinctions as well, although the most spoken of all (the various Chinese languages) don't, just as English.

Basically, there's little reason to expect a Czech speaker to find this any easier than a Japanese speaker.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by dwild »

duskwuff wrote: post #71
apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #48

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Just trying to understand this. Wouldn't that actually be good? Wouldn't the trademark owner want the domain so they could keep it unassigned? If they let it expire, someone could eventually purchase it and use it for similar purposes. That seems counterproductive to me, not transferring it.

> Wouldn't the trademark owner want the domain so they could keep it unassigned? Consider a low-quality domain name like "buy-acme-widgets-cheap-123.com" (for the trademark "Acme"). There are so many possible domain names of that form that Acme Co. would have no real interest in trying to protect that specific one from being misused in the future. Another messy situation would be if the domain name contained multiple…

Then they won't care if the settlement is to not use it. It will just point to nowhere...

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by BobCat »

GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #61
BobCat wrote: post #36

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Maybe they should try calling the admin contact? His firm's phone number is easily findable. Interestingly, his website is unresolvable, possibly due to some hero trying to snipe his email?

Yeah, I'm sure they hadn't thought of that.

Clearly, they haven't.

Why are there so many jerks here these days?

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by tadfisher »

bitwize wrote: post #47
sliverstorm wrote: post #32

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Even if they aren't closely tied to the X software package anymore, they are literally called "the X.Org Foundation". Why wouldn't they want to hang on to x.org?

The X.Org Foundation was formed for stewardship of X, the window system and its canonical implementation. Since X is now deprecated tech (the foundation itself even states that Wayland is the future), a name change is perhaps in order.

At least according to Keith, I don't think X.org officially holds that stance.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Post by bitwize »

tadfisher wrote: post #88
bitwize wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The X.Org Foundation was formed for stewardship of X, the window system and its canonical implementation. Since X is now deprecated tech (the foundation itself even states that Wayland is the future), a name change is perhaps in order.

At least according to Keith, I don't think X.org officially holds that stance.

I've seen posts by "X.Org Foundation" on their official Google+ page to the effect that Wayland is the display server of the future and efforts should be focused to target it.
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