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This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by tracker1 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #84
al2o3cr wrote: post #81

I really don't get the concept of people being "stuck on XP": Vista shipped in 2007, so if your company wrote software after that that was locked to XP they made a mistake - one they've had EIGHT YEARS to fix. Everything except the most expensive, vertical-market hardware (that might require XP for driver support) has nigh-certainly already been depreciated to zero on the books.

Let me play the devil's advocate: Why should I as a user be forced to upgrade from a system which does it's job just fine only because the system's manufacturer decides that they don't want to spend any more resources on patching up errors in this system? Having bought the system, shouldn't I have gotten a product that is reasonably secure in the first place? How do I know that the new shiny replacement system doesn'…

Because the browser isn't isolated to only using a single website/application... users are likely to hit any number of sites, including those with popups that look like security warnings that then exploit and infect the rest of your network only to destroy everything.

For example look at speedtest.com in a windows browser, when you really meant speedtest.net ... This is only a single example, it happens and bad people are out there.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by jacquesm »

vdaniuk wrote: post #125
pvelagal wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right. As much as people love to hate IE7/8 etc, they still help make a lot of money. (millions of $)

This applies only for a diminishingly small amount of large corporations and is not applicable to absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects.

Bootstrappers (when they are small) and side projects can ignore the smaller percentages because they are still validating their concepts. For side projects this goes even more because they are usually not commercial in nature.

Why would it have to be applicable to the 'absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects' to be useful information?

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by tracker1 »

TwoBit wrote: post #4

I have no idea how confident I should be in Edge's security. Microsoft just doesn't have a great history there.

Microsoft has actually had a pretty good security record for the past decade now... Most of the truly stupid decisions regarding security were prior to Windows XP. Since Melissa/ILoveYou and several other worms that wreaked havoc on data centers i the late 90's and early 00's there was a massive shift in terms of security conscience at MS.

There have been attack vectors since, but that is true of every platform, and since Windows 7 in particular, most of them have been from third party software.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by tracker1 »

jacquesm wrote: post #137
tracker1 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am working at a Fortune 100 financial company currently, IE8 support is already retired, and IE9 in the next month or so. This being a numbers based decision.

I suspect that the demographic make-up of the customer base is a huge factor in this. Location and age, predominantly.

Location yes.. mostly U.S. customer acquisition. As for age, skewed towards middle/older demographic, but that's true of most financial companies. That said, more mature users are more likely to be using an iPad (with a current OS) than any version of IE.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by nix0n »

tracker1 wrote: post #130
cpeterso wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome will drop support for Windows Vista and XP in April 2016. Firefox still supports Windows versions all the way back to XP SP2. About 14% of Firefox users still run XP!

Maybe it's time to stop running a 10+ year old operating system?

Maybe, maybe not.

Some people are running programs that won't work on newer versions of Windows, and they would be using XP Mode anyway.

Others just do Web stuff and Firefox is really their OS.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by jacquesm »

vdaniuk wrote: post #124
jacquesm wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. You omitted the possibility that I might be right, am not an idiot, am not prone to either lying or trolling and absolutely detest IE (and have not used windows for a really very long time). > Why would anyone take your word for it. Please don't. Ignore me and whatever I write here on the off chance that there is a grain of truth in it and that it will make…

As someone who has taught himself development after more than ten years in entrepreneurship, marketing, advertising and strategy, I find you arguments too simplistic, with no regard to strategic tradeoffs. A successful business needs to be able to "fire" some of its clients to gain competitive advantage or increase operational efficiency. And sometimes those clients are users with old browsers. Branding a request for…

This is a forum, not a scientific paper. If you want to have everything cited and backed up by independent review by peers and so on I suggest you communicate by paper only, this is a discussion forum and as such I'm not required to provide you or anybody else for that matter with whatever they demand. I'm not exactly on your payroll.

If you choose to interpret that as ideologically grounded discourse then I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by VLM »

cmurf wrote: post #17

I think it should have a built in kill switch. It knows it's own EOL date, and just wouldn't work after that.

If that got popular in general, think of the fun malware possibilities where "setting the clock" becomes a major security issue. Not to mention sabotage. Shut down the chemical plant by changing the time on a PC to the year 2200 (assuming it works past 2039 anyway), etc.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by madaxe_again »

oliwarner wrote: post #140
madaxe_again wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with continuous improvement? Our entire ethos is that software is never finished.

I love CI but it does only works if it's continuous. The scenarios I was describing don't lend themselves to it. It's usually vendor deployed, closed source software. Not an in-house production. That or it truly is ancient, from an era when CI wasn't a thing. You can resurrect development but as I mentioned before, this can often involve resurrecting people, not just the project. And employing them indefinitely for s…

Totally true - resurrecting a project is hard, to say the least, particularly if years have passed. We're an isv/agency hybrid, and we deploy monthly. The stack started a decade ago but it's as modern as it was then.

Ultimately the onus sits with the implementers to think about maintainability, and the end-user to think in terms other than the immediate.

Unfortunately, many legacy systems were implemented with the "it'll be replaced soon" view, and 30 years on are still limping along.

The software we build today will, if the species survives, probably still be in use in a century or more.

Think of your great-grandchildren when you go "that'll do"!

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#150

Post by ars »

jaxb wrote: post #38
ars wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they are stuck on XP it's not really a choice. I never understood why users stuck on XP don't just install a different browser (Chrome or Firefox). You don't have to use IE, especially not in the version is so old it barely works with modern sites.

Because corporate policy says "no Chrome or Firefox Portable for you".

Corporate policy is not a law of physics. It's just some dude that decided something. They can decide something else instead.

Saying that doesn't actually answer the question, it just shifts it to "why would corporate policy say that".

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