Taking Modafinil for funzies is a bad idea, but this doesn't rise to the level of "nightmare." Unless you have nightmares about developing a rash and getting a poor night's sleep.
My 'smart drugs' nightmare
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Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#22Video: "the drug is definitely working because I've been lying in bed for an hour, and I just can't get to sleep." An hour ?? Amateur. It takes me 2-4 hours every night to fall asleep, no matter how tired I am when I lay down. And then I wake up 3-4 hours later, and then fall asleep again after another 30 or so minutes. Been that way for as long as I can remember. So yeah, I'm always tired during the day. Was startin…
Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#23Video: "the drug is definitely working because I've been lying in bed for an hour, and I just can't get to sleep." An hour ?? Amateur. It takes me 2-4 hours every night to fall asleep, no matter how tired I am when I lay down. And then I wake up 3-4 hours later, and then fall asleep again after another 30 or so minutes. Been that way for as long as I can remember. So yeah, I'm always tired during the day. Was startin…
sure if you force yourself to stop breathing eventually your body will shut down and force you to breathe
but you are also capable of taking control of your breaths, determine their length, frequency, potency
sleep is the same
learn to control it
if those 2-4 hours are undesired, while waiting for your body to wrestle control back from you, then they are wasted, or worse, time.. unless you argue those 2-4 hours are actually meditation time for you
Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#24This isn't a drug you just jump right into. If you're interested in nootropics, it's smarter to test the waters with simple stuff like choline (preferably in the form of citicoline of alpha GPC) and ALCAR (acetyl L-Carnitine), then slowly considering a racetam like piracetam or noopept. You need to know how you respond to the easy stuff first. This guy jumped right into the deep end without looking.
You need to know how you respond to the easy stuff first. This guy jumped right into the deep end without looking. He spoke to a previous user, consulted a doctor, and took it as part of a test by an Oxbridge Professor of Clinical Neuropsychology with "an international reputation in the fields of cognitive psychopharmacology, neuroethics" [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Sahakian ]. That is some level of 'look…
I wouldn't. And what OP said is absolutely true when it comes to nootropics. Moda should not be taken lightly. Start with the basics and work your way up.
Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#25"The following day, a train journey presented what I expected to be a perfect opportunity to get some work done with the aid of a smart pill. I was wrong. I became distracted - more so than normal. While the drug made me focus, it was on the wrong things - such as playing video games on my smartphone." That's because of something called the Yerkes-Dodson curve which basically says if your body is not aroused enough t…
Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#26This isn't a drug you just jump right into. If you're interested in nootropics, it's smarter to test the waters with simple stuff like choline (preferably in the form of citicoline of alpha GPC) and ALCAR (acetyl L-Carnitine), then slowly considering a racetam like piracetam or noopept. You need to know how you respond to the easy stuff first. This guy jumped right into the deep end without looking.
You need to know how you respond to the easy stuff first. This guy jumped right into the deep end without looking. He spoke to a previous user, consulted a doctor, and took it as part of a test by an Oxbridge Professor of Clinical Neuropsychology with "an international reputation in the fields of cognitive psychopharmacology, neuroethics" [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Sahakian ]. That is some level of 'look…
He comes up with the idea of dud pills (that stuff really sounds like modafinil, and the sulfur smell test is a dead giveaway,) and the doctor pontificates on liver enzymes - when anyone with a passing familiarity with the substance would suggest starting with a much lesser dose and structuring appetite, hydration, and sleep so as not to have a terrible time.
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#27"The following day, a train journey presented what I expected to be a perfect opportunity to get some work done with the aid of a smart pill. I was wrong. I became distracted - more so than normal. While the drug made me focus, it was on the wrong things - such as playing video games on my smartphone." That's because of something called the Yerkes-Dodson curve which basically says if your body is not aroused enough t…
I suspect that he was still "on" modafinil from the day prior as well. 24 hours seems like an awfully short time for your brain to restore itself.
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#28Video: "the drug is definitely working because I've been lying in bed for an hour, and I just can't get to sleep." An hour ?? Amateur. It takes me 2-4 hours every night to fall asleep, no matter how tired I am when I lay down. And then I wake up 3-4 hours later, and then fall asleep again after another 30 or so minutes. Been that way for as long as I can remember. So yeah, I'm always tired during the day. Was startin…
1) Going for a walk in a park. Cool fresh outside air helps reset the brain.
2) Read something, preferably a book. Not on a phone or tablet. Not too interesting which will keep you awake wanting to finish it "Understanding The Linux Kernel", for example does wonders for me.
3) Watch a documentary about nature or space. Something not too intense or crazy.
Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#29People react differently to different medications and more than likely his experience was an outlier.
For me, strattera was like a sleeping pill that out me down for an entire weekend. Ritalin spikes quickly and gives you a rush. On Ritalin, everything was intensely interesting and in the most boating classes I would be on the edge of my seat and the professor couldn't talk fast enough.
But it's also easy to get focused on the wrong thing and run off on some tangent in all the excitement, like when you're supposed to be studying for an exam (I bet I can show that P=NP). The first time I took a full dosage I had got a headache, which I attributed to a new increase in blood flow. Ritalin also tended to cause insomnia.
Adderral greatly suppresses appetite and tends to cause hyper focus and hypertension, but is also the least noticeable unless dosage is very high.
Modifinal didnt feel as effective or as clean as adderral. Given the choice between an energy drink (blue sugar free monster) or modifinal, I'd take the energy drink for efficacy.
For the most part I always come back to adderral. The major gain is the absence of fatigue and the appetite suppression is a nice side effect that's probably helped me stay slimmer than others my age. The biggest problem is hyper focus, and this seems to be quite common. Hyper focus is great when you need to study, read, and get work done. When I was in university I could code for 14-16 hours a day for weeks. The problem is that you can't easily turn it off. Over time I found myself losing my quick footed sociability. In fact I feel that my vocabulary may have atrophied over that period, and words are no longer as readily available.
For me, net-net the benefits have far out weighed the costs. However I've scaled back my dossage considerably over the years (although a sugar-free Monster energy drink seems to have a long lasting amplifying effect) and every few months I'll let my prescription lapse and go on a holiday until I feel I'm slipping into unproductive ways.
Re: My 'smart drugs' nightmare
#30I've noticed a kind of "hangover" effect from taking modafinil, where if I take a dose one day, I'll wake up unusually early the next day, feeling alert. But my concentration will be shot. What happens is that I don't get enough sleep, and feel the secondary effects of that even though the fatigue is still masked by the drug. The fix is easy enough - just reminding myself to sleep more. I've found it's not difficult…