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A big problem is that many people won't believe a woman's complaints if it falls anything short of something as blatant as this. People like that guy are the easy cases. I read an article the other day about devastating, long-term harassment that one person suffered. She had a dream where she was physically attacked by a harasser -- stabbed with a knife. In this dream her primary feeling was one of overwhelming relie…
Could you post a link?
The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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I love FreeBSD! I have a GitHub record to show that! :3 It's my sweet little darling angel. But it's sick. : We need routes to ensure safety and respect for everyone. If someone makes others feel endangered, it is not unreasonable for there to be immediate recourse and resolution. That's what a Code of Conduct is all about.
My problem with Codes of Conduct is mostly how to write them. The Swing dancing scene had a big scandal this year, and everywhere CoCs are popping up. But do you really need to write down that an adult (quite old, in that case) dance teacher is not allowed to sleep with just-teenage dance students? Or that racist remarks are not welcome? No, so you adopt very broad language. Usually something like "harassing", "makin…
I mean, we do, evidently, have a much bigger problem in the open-source community. It would be nice if we didn't, but there's no easy way around it.
So there are really two options: one, hope the community stops existing or stops having influence (unlikely), or two, accept that, yes, we do need to spell out every little detail about behavior as if people don't know appropriate behavior on their own.
Nobody advocating detailed codes of conduct particularly likes the fact that they are necessary. But how you feel about the situation that led up to them doesn't really affect whether they are in fact necessary.
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such. But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things wo…
I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....
Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are?
Etc.
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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A lot of my followers are in the tech community and part of HN. My apologies, and if people find it to be a problem, I'll gladly delete the tweet. I think it's interesting watching how HN responds to posts like this, because they are kind of political, and HN is a good representation of how a lot of people in tech feel. I'll get a lot of support on Twitter (because I've blocked most of the trolls), and 140 characters…
You can ignore the person you replied to. Do you have "showdead" turned on in your profile? They've written an abusive post about you in this thread, but it got flagged.
I saw. But it didn't make this comment necessarily invalid. If there's a policy against putting an HN post on social media when said post involves the person publicizing it, I'm not aware, and I'm happy to fix it if it's a problem. I knew when I posted it that this made the post more likely to attract trolls (sorry, dang), but I know I'm not the only one that watches how HN responds to this kind of topic.
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
#85This is why no one will ever take them seriously, by spamming this thread out to their followings in this way they are attempting to create outside focus on the HN community not within it. I invite you to see how Hacker News responds to an inherent problem with misogyny in open source. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10819778 … https://twitter.com/LilyLemmer/status/682688557018828802 Admittedly really curious to…
In spite of that, I saw several anti-freebsdgirl trolls in the first couple of minutes, leading dang to close the thread to new accounts. Maybe there are people who follow freebsdgirl on twitter who are just here because she tweeted, but I can't tell who they are.
In short: you're worried about the wrong people.
Edit: I enabled 'showdead':
I see I made a mistake. You're not worried about the wrong people. You are them!
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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> It's strange that this disappeared from the front page so suddenly Users flagged it.
Do you do any analysis of use and abuse of flags? It certainly seems like there's a phenomenon of stories pointing out issues in open-source communities being flagged off the front page very quickly. Given that the subject seems on-topic for HN and there's good discussion (and bad discussion, too, but you've been on top of it), it seems some consideration should be given to whether the flags are abusive.
(In particular, is there any correlation between people who flag stories and people who get downvoted / get their own comments flagged? What sorts of stories get flagged after hitting the front page and getting relevant comments? Are the flagging users constructively contributing to HN otherwise?)
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
#87Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
#88This is why no one will ever take them seriously, by spamming this thread out to their followings in this way they are attempting to create outside focus on the HN community not within it. I invite you to see how Hacker News responds to an inherent problem with misogyny in open source. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10819778 … https://twitter.com/LilyLemmer/status/682688557018828802 Admittedly really curious to…
In spite of that, I saw several anti-freebsdgirl trolls in the first couple of minutes, leading dang to close the thread to new accounts. Maybe there are people who follow freebsdgirl on twitter who are just here because she tweeted, but I can't tell who they are. In short: you're worried about the wrong people. Edit: I enabled 'showdead': I see I made a mistake. You're not worried about the wrong people. You are the…
In fact you are illustrating my point, by doing that she increased the chances of outsiders "trolls" appearing, then we see a follow up article pointing all the death threats/harassment that those new accounts saying "look at how problematic HN is". I am grateful the mods stopped new accounts from posting before this could happen.
EDIT: Someone else having a counter opinion to yours shouldn't make you feel so threatened, lighten up.
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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In spite of that, I saw several anti-freebsdgirl trolls in the first couple of minutes, leading dang to close the thread to new accounts. Maybe there are people who follow freebsdgirl on twitter who are just here because she tweeted, but I can't tell who they are. In short: you're worried about the wrong people. Edit: I enabled 'showdead': I see I made a mistake. You're not worried about the wrong people. You are the…
In fact you are illustrating my point, by doing that she increased the chances of outsiders "trolls" appearing, then we see a follow up article pointing all the death threats/harassment that those new accounts saying "look at how problematic HN is". I am grateful the mods stopped new accounts from posting before this could happen. EDIT: Someone else having a counter opinion to yours shouldn't make you feel so threate…
If outside trolls appeared, I'd blame the trolls, not HN. It's fairly easy to see what accounts are new. There have been controversial posts of mine on HN before where new accounts did show up to try to stir up trouble. I challenge you to find any post where I decried HN because of that happening.
Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl
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I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....
Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are? Etc.
>When (Every time) you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are
Yes.
>Did (do) you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are
Yes.
Most recently in Malmo.