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The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by unimpressive »

nnethercote wrote: post #66
Tomte wrote: post #3

She's talking about some guy and his "campaign to legalize rape". I thought she was exaggerating or maybe misunderstanding something. Sure, this guy is probably an asshole, but legalizing rape, come on! I followed the link and... it is kind of almost entertaining. He means it. Literally. You can't stop reading that trainwreck of an argument, because it gets worse and worse. And then you've lost all hope in mankind. I…

A big problem is that many people won't believe a woman's complaints if it falls anything short of something as blatant as this. People like that guy are the easy cases. I read an article the other day about devastating, long-term harassment that one person suffered. She had a dream where she was physically attacked by a harasser -- stabbed with a knife. In this dream her primary feeling was one of overwhelming relie…

Could you post a link?

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by Pharaoh2 »

lillian-lemmer wrote: post #45
Pharaoh2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shit storm, which might have had meaning at some point but it's now mostly a way to grab attention by a group of people, mostly looking for ways to make money out of it.

No. This is about women wanting their safety prioritized over others' "right" to treat women like garbage.

No one has the "right" to threaten someone's safety. That right simply doesn't exist. No form of free speech rules grant such "right".

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by lillian-lemmer »

Tomte wrote: post #68
lillian-lemmer wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love FreeBSD! I have a GitHub record to show that! :3 It's my sweet little darling angel. But it's sick. : We need routes to ensure safety and respect for everyone. If someone makes others feel endangered, it is not unreasonable for there to be immediate recourse and resolution. That's what a Code of Conduct is all about.

My problem with Codes of Conduct is mostly how to write them. The Swing dancing scene had a big scandal this year, and everywhere CoCs are popping up. But do you really need to write down that an adult (quite old, in that case) dance teacher is not allowed to sleep with just-teenage dance students? Or that racist remarks are not welcome? No, so you adopt very broad language. Usually something like "harassing", "makin…

So your answer is not to have enforceable routes for women to be safe and respected because nobody can write specifically enough?

I run an organization (hypatia.software [Hypatia Software Organization]) where the Code of Conduct is enforced and it is effective.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by dogma1138 »

lillian-lemmer wrote: post #30
geofft wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so if that's true, then by treating him as a legitimate member of the community and not making any sort of statement against his views, the FreeBSD project is giving him attention, and they should stop doing that. Which is exactly what Randi asked for. It's one thing if you keep your horrible-person persona separate from your technical one (as e.g. the Strange Loop thing earlier this year), although I still think…

He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such. But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things wo…

I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by dang »

eadler wrote: post #75

does this same thing eliminate the upvote option? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ub98ewlux598o8p/Screenshot%202015-... sorry if this is off-topic :\

No, that's unrelated. The vote arrow disappears once you've voted.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10820149 and marked it off-topic.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by isolate »

Pharaoh2 wrote: post #72
lillian-lemmer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This is about women wanting their safety prioritized over others' "right" to treat women like garbage.

No one has the "right" to threaten someone's safety. That right simply doesn't exist. No form of free speech rules grant such "right".

That's why it's in quotes.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by Tomte »

lillian-lemmer wrote: post #73
Tomte wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem with Codes of Conduct is mostly how to write them. The Swing dancing scene had a big scandal this year, and everywhere CoCs are popping up. But do you really need to write down that an adult (quite old, in that case) dance teacher is not allowed to sleep with just-teenage dance students? Or that racist remarks are not welcome? No, so you adopt very broad language. Usually something like "harassing", "makin…

So your answer is not to have enforceable routes for women to be safe and respected because nobody can write specifically enough? I run an organization (hypatia.software [Hypatia Software Organization]) where the Code of Conduct is enforced and it is effective .

No, my answer is to have a community where you ban those people without discussing the semantics of some sentence.

In the end, it's probably equivalent to your answer. Because when the people in your organization feel someone is harassing people and you decide to kick him out, you're probably simply describing his behaviour and referencing your CoC, but not doing some detailed analysis how and why he did so.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by geofft »

bendbro wrote: post #12

Notice that this blog post provides zero in the way of evidence. Before assuming everything written here is true, it would be worthwhile to fact check.

"Zero" seems like a bit much! There's a link to trademark policy as archived by the Wayback Machine. It indeed seems correct that they added "usernames" to the policy without updating the date on it.

The rest of it is generally consistent with what's been reported about this elsewhere, including on /r/KotakuInAction. But I'm not going to point you at each individual piece of evidence when there are things literally linked in the article that you didn't see.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by DanBC »

freebsdgirl wrote: post #62
ps4fanboy wrote: post #55

This is why no one will ever take them seriously, by spamming this thread out to their followings in this way they are attempting to create outside focus on the HN community not within it. I invite you to see how Hacker News responds to an inherent problem with misogyny in open source. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10819778 … https://twitter.com/LilyLemmer/status/682688557018828802 Admittedly really curious to…

A lot of my followers are in the tech community and part of HN. My apologies, and if people find it to be a problem, I'll gladly delete the tweet. I think it's interesting watching how HN responds to posts like this, because they are kind of political, and HN is a good representation of how a lot of people in tech feel. I'll get a lot of support on Twitter (because I've blocked most of the trolls), and 140 characters…

You can ignore the person you replied to. Do you have "showdead" turned on in your profile? They've written an abusive post about you in this thread, but it got flagged.
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