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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by krapp »

ShaggyStardust wrote: post #250

Why this thread is #3? edit: why downvoting without commenting? Obviously is "why this thread is ONLY #3".

Probably because a number of comments have been (justifiably) flagged, and given the inevitable flame-sensitive nature of the topic, the mods may have weighted it down a bit. A post's rank can be a function of any number of factors beyond just vote count, including possibly the size of the thread, and its age. Regardless, having even popular threads drop in rank is inevitable, and necessary.

It seems you've gone into the threads which rank higher than this currently and asked why each deserves to be there. That's clearly spamming the threads, so please stop.

Also, as per the site guidelines: Please resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by ShaggyStardust »

krapp wrote: post #261
ShaggyStardust wrote: post #250

Why this thread is #3? edit: why downvoting without commenting? Obviously is "why this thread is ONLY #3".

Probably because a number of comments have been (justifiably) flagged, and given the inevitable flame-sensitive nature of the topic, the mods may have weighted it down a bit. A post's rank can be a function of any number of factors beyond just vote count, including possibly the size of the thread, and its age. Regardless, having even popular threads drop in rank is inevitable, and necessary. It seems you've gone into…

Thanks, newbie here... EDIT: now #5... uhm, maybe the algorithm may consider the word 'death' and/or 'suicide'. There was more attention about 'proprietary source' Steve Jobs's death. Fuck. Shit. Merda.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

jacquesm wrote: post #158
gall wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the increase in time critical public awareness had that thread not been deleted have made a difference? Perhaps the chance that it could should outweigh the urge for propriety in future admin decisions.

That's an impossible thing to do right, you let it it it might turn ugly, you take it down you get this. Dang made the right call here, I've been in that position several times with camarades/ww.com and it is extremely un-nerving. The problem is that since the authorities were the apparent main cause of the problem here there would likely not be much positive effect from alerting them (something I did do in the cases…

> you let it it it might turn ugly

Or some friend/acquaintance sees it and pays the guy a visit. But dang's comfort is more important, isn't it?

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by AnarchyAo »

finid wrote: post #82

In a tweet, he wrote that "@jacksormwriter wants me dead". I wonder who that is... Source at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:le7oSCj...

Chiming in on here...

I reverse image searched his Twitter pic, it's a stock photo from an online retail (clothing) store:

http://tineye.com/search/057213bd41c8c6bb258d9f6836bf57e1c4e...

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Post by skeetersneedum »

huac wrote: post #232
kragen wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went back and looked earlier today, and that is what I found, also, except that I didn't find him talking about lawyers and did find him advising Ian to "lay low" (presumably so the police wouldn't seek retribution against Ian .) I didn't find anything from that other guy that was anything other than sincerely trying to be helpful. (Of course, there could have been deleted tweets.)

i looked at their thread ~12h after; @jackstormwriter deleted the thread and tweeted something along the lines of 'never do this, but deleting tweets, blah blah'

This guy caught the exchange: https://twitter.com/dknake/status/682346660626886656

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by Nrsolis »

SwellJoe wrote: post #61
Nrsolis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has to be something else going on when a person is confronted by the police and they decide to arrest you. I can only imagine that he was agitated somehow and may have been either mentally unstable or intoxicated. Suicide is not a normal response to being locked up by the police for a few hours.

Bullshit. Police beat the shit out of people, unprovoked, every day. They murder 12 year old boys without hesitation (Tamir Rice). They'll kill a woman in her jail cell because she knew her rights and tried to exercise them (Sandra Bland). They'll chase down (stealing a car to make the chase more exciting) and execute an innocent man because he happens to be black and trying to go into the bank where he has an accoun…

Right now, all we have is his statements that he was treated roughly by the police.

The police handle quite literally millions of interactions with the public every year. Ascribing some sort of persistent malice to them as a group is as bad as blaming an entire race of people for the acts of a single individual.

If you don't believe he did anything for a second, then consider what might be going on when a neighbor calls the police to deal with a man banging on their door. Is it really so hard to believe that he might have been intoxicated and/or mentally compromised to the point where he was scaring people. Is it further so unbelievable that he might have directed that behavior towards police who are specifically trained to deal with unruly or uncontrolled individuals?

It's happened to some very famous people. Why does it surprise you that it might happen to one of our own?

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by adamredwoods »

cookiecaper wrote: post #115
coldtea wrote: post #66

His other motivations for his act aside, the deeper societal (as opposed to personal) issue here is police abuse. This incident shows nicely how this kind of thing can happen to anyone -- even a nice person (as say all who worked with/knew him), with no violent past, having built a huge community project, a family, working in a prominent startup, etc. White, too.

We should probably reserve judgment until more information comes to light. It's possible he was having a mental breakdown and did not have an accurate conception of reality. He says he was given bail, which implies he was arrested. Arrests are usually a matter of public record. Is there any data on the record supporting this?

Vinelink.com has records of the arrest.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperpape wrote: post #212
coldtea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, why not? Citizen (and internet/crowd-sourced) journalism has worked wonders in the past, getting to reveal things that happened etc. Of course we won't ever be able to read his mind, but we can find much about what happened in the incident before he decided to commit suicide.

Don't forget how Reddit smeared a dead man after Boston. There's a difference between fighting injustice and speculating based on thin evidence. I want to hear something from witnesses, family members or friends who talked to him in his final days before I start having "theories".

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