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I too have suffered from abuse from cops here in the bay area - specifically the city of Alameda, and one cop in particular. I also suffer from depression, and have struggled with inappropriate thoughts due to my experience with police. It is sad that he has apparently actually committed suicide - as I would have loved to join him in his fight against state abuse. I wish I would have had the opportunity to work with…
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On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…
He said on Twitter that police beat him up once, and then a second time after following him home. I hope there is a real investigation, this is enraging.
If he had mental health problems then police can easily be perceived as they are after him and any attempt to restrain you will be seen as violence.
It is really tragic but if it likely to be police brutality then the family will pursue it. If they don't pursue any action then my guess is that Ian had a mental illness and this is just a series of very unfortunate events due to that.
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> the Linux distro he created which is the basis for Ubuntu I'm sure this sounds as vinyl scratching to a lot of ears Debian stands on its own, though that statement is correct
It's probably the single most ported distribution, from a variety of remixes for desktop, netbook and recovery uses alike to usually being the first target for every microcontroller and single-board.
Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.
Well, we should at least try to find out what happened. It's the natural thing to do, and the easiest way to do that, is to dig up links related to the matter, so we know the true story.
What I'd like to know going forward is what we can do as a community to help when we see this happening. Ian was clearly suffering, and I know that a number of folks did their best to help.
Yet, those efforts were in vain. It occurs to me now that perhaps the community could have done more? Perhaps Twitter could have done more? Perhaps I could have done more? Did HackerNews make the right call in closing that thread? I'm not seeking to assign blame, but to ask what we can do to help the next person.
If there is something more the community can do to help the next person, we should identify and address it. Someone I know likes to say, "bugs in process are like software bugs, we need to file an issue and fix them".
Twitter just yesterday released new policies and procedures for reporting on self-harm and harassment. I'm afraid they may not go far enough, but I'm happy to see some effort there.
Perhaps the time for this conversation is too early, but I look forward to having it when the time is right.
Is this at all related to his statement on suicide and police brutality? What was the cause of death? Source: http://techaeris.com/2015/12/28/debian-founder-ian-murdocks-...
It's a good bet that, when a young person in a highly-developed country dies and the announcements about them do not give a cause of death, they killed themselves. Given that he was white and had announced an intention to kill himself the night before, it's almost an open-and-shut case.
Given other people are talking about other erratic behaviour over the last few days then an aggressive brain tumour or bleeding into the brain would also be possibilities. Best not to jump to conclusions too early (the same is also true for those suggesting police brutality as the cause)
Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.
This is the most fundamentally immoral comment I've ever read on HN. I can't even imagine the scale of community outrage if this comment were made after Aaron Swartz passing. The world has lost a tremendous value with Ian's passing, and there is evidence directly from him that he was pushed into it. It appears from his twitter feed that his dying wish was to expose a tremendous and violent injustice committed against…
> I can't even imagine the scale of community outrage if this comment were made after Aaron Swartz passing.
I can, they'd call for the same thing in a thread titled "In Memoriam: Aaron Swartz"
> and there is evidence directly from him that he was pushed into it.
You are welcome to start new thread discussing that.
> if evil pushed him to end his own life, then is it good or is it evil that benefits if we fail to demand a full investigation?
This thread is probably not the place to fight the evil. We can fight the evil later, given that we find what/who this evil is. Chances are evil is not going anywhere. It will be there tomorrow.
> do you think there is any possibility of such an investigation without widespread and vocal community outrage?
In general outrage has to be calculated, directed at the right place, and happen at the right time.
Something tells me you don't have any evidence or anything to go on and it will be just guesswork based on twitter comments and Reddit discussions. Even if you have any extra evidence that you have to discuss, ask yourself if this is the right place and time for it.
Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.
This is the most fundamentally immoral comment I've ever read on HN. I can't even imagine the scale of community outrage if this comment were made after Aaron Swartz passing. The world has lost a tremendous value with Ian's passing, and there is evidence directly from him that he was pushed into it. It appears from his twitter feed that his dying wish was to expose a tremendous and violent injustice committed against…
What people are saying is that you should take a deep breath before you start harassing people (which is often how these things end up). This could be a mental health issue so please just calm down before you know more.
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Again, why not? Citizen (and internet/crowd-sourced) journalism has worked wonders in the past, getting to reveal things that happened etc. Of course we won't ever be able to read his mind, but we can find much about what happened in the incident before he decided to commit suicide.
> but the overall incident with the police etc, is a public issue. I'm not trying to specifically argue about this point of information but we don't even know the whole of that story or if it is even related to this at this time. I'm not saying it is or is not or anything like that. Just that we really don't know anything about what happened (yet and again, if ever).
If anything, it's the prerequisite for wanting to look into what happened.
Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.
The links that were dug were extremely helpful in putting the context of what happened. I will save my strong words for later. Or other venues. First Aaron, now Ian - two wonderful guys that wanted only to bring openness to world are gone after having brief encounters with the system. Make what you will of that.
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I've got an idea if someone really wants to go on a hunt... This might seem incredibly nosy, but I don't think it would be too personal - check RadioReference for his city, they archive police scanner feeds, if you pay them a little, you can access the archives. If something happened and he was having some sort of mental health or drug problem, hopefully that would be mentioned, if something really did go down with t…
If the pastebinned tweets I've seen are really his then he was clearly unhinged when he made them. Whether that is due to head trauma or if the problems with the police came about because he was already having issues, I have no idea. Either way, while I totally understand his family's request for privacy, I do wish as a culture we felt more comfortable discussing things like this when they happen instead of basically…