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Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by robotkilla »

mahranch wrote: post #196
jklinger410 wrote: post #185

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>Yeah, this whole thing about electing the right president who will somehow magically change all the wrongs of the world overnight is a fairy tale. I'm not sure who you guys think you're arguing against. I understand why you feel like you're correct in naysaying and feeling like you're adding something to the conversation by being contrary. Unfortunately you're setting up a bit of a strawman, as if people who support…

> I'm not sure who you guys think you're arguing against. Sometimes I forget that hackernews has a slightly more intelligent user-base. Unfortunately, I participate on reddit as well, and there, political supporters have a slightly naive view of how politics and the government works (that's putting it nicely). Sometimes I confuse the two websites. > So even in regards to your opinion your only real candidate is Berni…

A trump presidency would be horrific -- I'm very opposed to it happening, but if he took power I wonder if it would wake up the swindled masses.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #176
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #158

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Now you're just making the case that the Schoolhouse Rock process is never followed for controversial bills. That isn't the process being followed, it's evidence that the proponents required procedural gymnastics to subvert that process in order to get the bill passed.

Yes. The "Nothing to see here, folks!"/ tu quoque argument is de rigeur in this type of discussion. Combine that with a little moving of the goalposts? Guaranteed hours of fun for the whole family. For those who are interested, this type of application is fairly recent. The Reconciliation Act was passed in 74. It hadn't even been out a year before it was being used in ways not anticipated by the sponsors, and the str…

It's all normal! Schoolhouse Rocks guys!

I am sad.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by unclenoriega »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #147
0x09 wrote: post #133

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Note that these were the votes against the original CISA bill, NOT the bill that passed yesterday. Those votes were: Nay - Sen. Michael Crapo [R] Nay - Sen. Michael Enzi [R] Nay - Sen. Charles “Chuck” Grassley [R] Nay - Sen. John McCain [R] Nay - Sen. Jefferson “Jeff” Sessions [R] Nay - Sen. Richard Shelby [R] Nay - Sen. John Boozman [R] Nay - Sen. Richard Burr [R] Nay - Sen. Jeff Flake [R] Nay - Sen. Jerry Moran [R]…

Not Voting - Sen. Marco Rubio [R] Not Voting - Sen. Barbara Boxer [D] Cowards.

Senator Boxer is retiring after her current term, so I doubt that cowardice explains her non-vote.

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Post by ionised »

wolfwyrd wrote: post #30
Vivtek wrote: post #23

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Not if they want to comply with existing European privacy law, which the European courts have no problem at all interpreting in maximally draconian form - up to and including forbidding access to the European market. Even if the US government would attempt to force companies to do this, they wouldn't. And as far as I can tell, this bill doesn't force companies to comply, it just holds them harmless should they choose…

Sadly not. The US courts have already ruled that data held in other data centres are fair game for a US warrant [1]. In this case the data is held in the EU (in Dublin, Ireland to be precise) and MS was found in contempt of court for failing to hand the data over [2]. They're still fighting this case now - over a year later - and it's currently in the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals [3]. This means that the precedent is…

The problem is that the EU recently ruled that it was illegal for US companies to send data back to the US for any reason.

The US and EU obviously have two completely imcompatible rulings in play now.

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Post by lstroud »

afarrell wrote: post #204
um_ya wrote: post #198

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> Government research and subsidies brought us these. The market only sold them. You do realize that the government pays (with private company tax dollars) other private companies to do things for them, don't you?

Either that or it hires private individuals and pays them to do it. What is your point? In either case, the govt is making the resource-allocation choice.

Your point is well taken, but if memory serves, the specific technologies listed were developed by private corporations and industry consortiums. Would be interested to see a fact checked history on this, however.

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Post by mindslight »

MicroBerto wrote: post #229
mindslight wrote: post #227

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So, no true Scotsman?

No, this is AMERICA

Oh, I think I misinferred where you were coming from. From context, I had thought you were advocating that we needed to democracy harder. On reflection it seems more likely you're espousing the viewpoint that USG hasn't been specified as a democracy, so people advocating to democracy harder are asking for nonsense.

In some sense that would put us closer to agreement, but from my perspective that viewpoint clings to a prescriptive model that is clearly irrelevant at this time. Democracy has become our national religion, and the mechanics of how the celebrities obtain office isn't so important as the idea that no action is off limits to the court of public opinion, adjudicated by the media.

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