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Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> In Germany we have learned our lesson, and we will fight for our privacy online on all ends. Except dick jokes, of course.

I haven't been following German news, lately; what did I miss?

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10774152 for details and analysis.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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"In Germany there is no law that could force us to submit to a gag order or to implement a backdoor." meanwhile "Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces" http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-se... -edit- to: all yes I realize seizure is not a gag order nor a backdoor. but the whole article spends thousand word praising how privacy is so much more safe in Germany and ho…

Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse, depending on how you run your stuff. He even mentioned logs... ouch.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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Aaah, Germany - the leader of privacy across the globe, the country where you're legally required to give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. And where you're not allowed to open up your wifi hotspot because someone might download an mp3 with it.

> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

"15 Euros for 5GB 3G" can you please provide more details on this? Travelsim is 5gb but is like 40eur.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> usually - vast majority of devices won't be rooted Can you upload a new baseband if your device is rooted?

A moderately loose-fitting tinfoil hat would assume that a rooted phone connecting only via wifi would bypass any remote exploit opportunities afforded by the baseband+(gsm|cdma) radio.

But yes, a properly fitted hat would assume the entire device is unusable.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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"In Germany there is no law that could force us to submit to a gag order or to implement a backdoor." meanwhile "Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces" http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-se... -edit- to: all yes I realize seizure is not a gag order nor a backdoor. but the whole article spends thousand word praising how privacy is so much more safe in Germany and ho…

cock.li is not a German provider and states that it complies with US laws: "are there any conditions to having a cock.li address? no spam, no content illegal in usa, no getting me abuse complaints, no sending fake abuse complaints. I comply with all federal laws regarding online content hosting and will report any illegal activity to the relevant authorities (FBI, NCMEC, regional authorities)."

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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cock.li is not a German provider and states that it complies with US laws: "are there any conditions to having a cock.li address? no spam, no content illegal in usa, no getting me abuse complaints, no sending fake abuse complaints. I comply with all federal laws regarding online content hosting and will report any illegal activity to the relevant authorities (FBI, NCMEC, regional authorities)."

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

But...isn't that also helping with privacy? I think the difference is personal liberty versus privacy...

well no, having a closed wifi is for most people not going to help with privacy because that wifi traffic is all going through some big telecom that also has some good governmental connections. Now that the wifi is closed the company and whoever uses the company's data feels more secure in assuming that data was used by you.

An increase in the certainty of the data source is also damaging to privacy.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> 1. Germany just yesterday put the lie to this blog posting by seizing the user data of an email provider pursuant to a crime targeted WELL outside of its borders.

You do realise that it's neither a gag order nor a backdoor right? A legal seizure is not something that's hidden from users of the service, and it's something which can be discussed and fought in the open.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

Yea, this works. However, with some providers like Congstar you actually need to give all your details using online form before SIM gets activated.

> However, with some providers

slowmotion made assertions about germany's legal requirements, not the corporate policy of specific ISPs.

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