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Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by manyxcxi » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 6:56 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

reitanqild wrote: post #7

Tangentially related: I moved to old fashioned razor blades a few months ago and have actually hurt myself less since then. Bonus: It cost like a fraction of the price and you don't look like a teenager when shaving :-P

I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor. Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor. That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was f…

I guess I'm lucky that my skin must not be very sensitive... I use a moderately priced safety razor handle ~$40-50 4 or 5 years ago and store brand menthol shaving foam. Old school Barbasol type foam. I rarely ever get ingrown hairs and have never had razor burn. What I did do, though, was basically buy one of every brand of blade that was available on Amazon and find the one that was the most comfortable, and now I don't deviate. Some were truly horrific, others were so close I couldn't tell which I liked more, but I've been using the Astra Platinum for the better part of 5 years now. I guarantee I've spent less than $200 in 5 years on shaving, when I was spending at least $20/mo on cartridges. The only time I use anything else is when I travel, I shave real good right before I leave and just bring a couple terrible disposables.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 6:57 PM UTC

wahsd wrote: post #11

Does anyone know where the complaint is or at least the specific patents? I guess they are claiming infringement against a method to coat the blades somehow to improve shaving? Why do I have a feeling this will be another one of those cases that expose just how corrupt and broken our patent system is.

That would like require journalists to do some research or something. So much harder than just rewriting P&Gs press releases.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by cwyers » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 6:57 PM UTC

ripberge wrote: post #58

Nadya wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until some beard oil company finds a way to sue Dollar Beard Club. ;) https://www.dollarbeardclub.com/

Wouldn't be surprised if Dollar Shave Club brings some legal action against Dollar Beard Club. They have copied them to such a degree with their name and their advertising it is creating confusion in the marketplace. And that's kind of a litmus test for trademark infringement from what I remember in my business law classes.

Holy wow, yeah, that's quite the copy. Even down to how the boxes are being taped.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by frogpelt » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 6:58 PM UTC

tristor wrote: post #6

I find the claims that P&G makes to be interesting, because unless something has changed, Dollar Shave Club does not actually produce or manufacture under license any of its own products, rather the service is about the delivery and cost mechanism, not the actual product received. Instead, they use products made by Dorco, a South Korean company, http://www.dorcousa.com/ . The 4X, for instance is the same as the Dorco…

I had no idea. I've bought razors from both companies and never noticed that they sold the same products.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by kuschku » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 6:59 PM UTC

adamc wrote: post #15

hnrodey wrote: post #2

Non pay wall: http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/12/17/gillette-sues...

Or just google the article title and come in through google. Then you can see the whole thing.

Which doesn’t work in most countries.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by warfangle » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:00 PM UTC

reitanqild wrote: post #7

Tangentially related: I moved to old fashioned razor blades a few months ago and have actually hurt myself less since then. Bonus: It cost like a fraction of the price and you don't look like a teenager when shaving :-P

Tangentially related to your tangent:

I just started laser hair removal on my face, and at $100/session for 2-6 sessions, it'll pay for itself in 1-3 years (I use a fresh blade every week). Plus no shadow/stubble.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by peterwwillis » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:02 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

reitanqild wrote: post #7

Tangentially related: I moved to old fashioned razor blades a few months ago and have actually hurt myself less since then. Bonus: It cost like a fraction of the price and you don't look like a teenager when shaving :-P

I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor. Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor. That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was f…

Here's a $20 safety razor at a drug store, includes two packs of Dorco razors: https://shop.riteaid.com/micro-touch-max-one-safety-razor-03...

You don't need to make it into a big production. Check out Bevel's instructional video, where you lather directly on your face: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhPbaNAHhA8

Half the time I don't use any kind of cream at all; I just shave right after I jump out of the shower, heating the blade up and moving in short, tight movements. It's not baby smooth but the stubble is gone and i'm out of there in the same amount of time as with cartidges.

The protection you get from a safety razor is by technique, not what lubrication you use. A 30-degree angle and taught skin will trump improper form with the best lather any day.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by roywiggins » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:07 PM UTC

JshWright wrote: post #45

balls187 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cartridges are quick and easy. They're the ultimate lazy man's solution. They're the penultimate solution. Not shaving is the ultimate in laziness. Which I adopted, both to saves time, and because it makes me look closer to my age.

There are some occupations where that is not an option.

And some configurations of facial hair which make it unwise. If you're blessed with a rich and flowing beard, rock on.

But if your natural state is a scraggly, uneven mess, just shaving it off regularly is by far the easiest option.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by KingMob » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:10 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

reitanqild wrote: post #7

Tangentially related: I moved to old fashioned razor blades a few months ago and have actually hurt myself less since then. Bonus: It cost like a fraction of the price and you don't look like a teenager when shaving :-P

I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor. Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor. That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was f…

I went whole-hog with safety razors for a bit in grad school, but now I just keep it simple. Use standard soap in the shower, apply with hands, and it's good enough (for me, at least). If you don't want to shell out $100 at Art of Shaving, you can buy a vintage safety razor on eBay for $20-30.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by RUG3Y » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:12 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

reitanqild wrote: post #7

Tangentially related: I moved to old fashioned razor blades a few months ago and have actually hurt myself less since then. Bonus: It cost like a fraction of the price and you don't look like a teenager when shaving :-P

I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor. Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor. That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was f…

I don't know where you're getting your $100 from. A cheap handle cost me $15.00, is perfectly functional. I've been using the same one for 5 years. I buy blades at 2 - 5 cents apiece on Amazon, and they last me the same amount of time that a more expensive quadruple blade costs. It doesn't take me 10 minutes to lather either, and I've used both shaving cream and shave soap without problems. I have an extremely heavy beard too.