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P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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But I thought DSC didn't make the razors? I buy them direct from Korea under the Pace brand name.

USPTO:

> Patent infringement is the act of making, using, selling, or offering to sell a patented invention, or importing into the United States a product covered by a claim of a patent without the permission of the patent owner. Further, you may be considered to infringe a patent if you import items into the United States that are made by a patented method, unless the item is materially changed by subsequent processes or becomes a trivial and nonessential component of another product. A person “infringes” a patent by practicing each element of a patent claim with respect to one of these acts. Further, actively encouraging others to infringe patents, or supplying or importing components of a patented invention, and related acts can also give rise to liability in certain cases.

If the P&G patent isn't valid where the blades are manufactured the manufacturer isn't in violation. It falls down to whoever is importing them. If they could sue the manufacturer then getting patents in one place would make them defacto valid everywhere and punish companies for the actions of their customers who they have no control over.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Classic "butthurt giant is mad at new competition and sues them to death" move. Subscribing to DSC today, wanted to do that a long time ago anyway.

I used DSC and regretted it, the razors are quite weak. I tried Harry's and was quite happy in the end. Much higher quality.

What is the pricing like on Harry's?

Do they have any razors that you tend to hold more perpendicular to your face like the older 2-blade Gillette razors, rather than the 3+ blade razors that you tend to hold parallel to your face?

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Tangentially related: I moved to old fashioned razor blades a few months ago and have actually hurt myself less since then. Bonus: It cost like a fraction of the price and you don't look like a teenager when shaving :-P

I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor.

Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor.

That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was fun. But then I switched back to cartridges. Why? In order to get a good close shave with a safety razor while also minimizing the chance of nicks, cuts, and razor burn you need a good quality thick lather.

Unfortunately creating a good thick lather can easily take ten minutes. You cannot really use off the shelf shaving foam or gel because it doesn't provide enough protection for a safety razor.

So ultimately I decided I wanted shaving to be a 10 minute activity in the mornings, and not a 20 minute activity. Also creating lather isn't the most fun thing to do first thing after you wake up, in particular if you're working it hard (as you should).

Cartridges are quick and easy. They're the ultimate lazy man's solution. And you can use off the shelf non-foaming gels (e.g. "King of Shaves Alphagel", "Gillette Fusion ProGlide Clear Shave Gel") in the shower (and, yes, wet-shaves are a must either way, buy an inexpensive non-electrical anti-condensation travel mirror (i.e. you tip hot water into a compartment behind the mirror)).

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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I find the claims that P&G makes to be interesting, because unless something has changed, Dollar Shave Club does not actually produce or manufacture under license any of its own products, rather the service is about the delivery and cost mechanism, not the actual product received. Instead, they use products made by Dorco, a South Korean company, http://www.dorcousa.com/ . The 4X, for instance is the same as the Dorco…

> rather the service is about the delivery and cost mechanism, not the actual product received. Presumably they are purchasing the razor blades from Dorco and importing them. http://www.uspto.gov/patents-maintaining-patent/patent-litig... > Patent infringement is the act of making, using, selling, or offering to sell a patented invention, or importing into the United States a product covered by a claim of a patent wi…

You can buy directly from Dorco in the US.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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It is extremely telling that Gillette is suing Dollar Shave Club, a direct competitor, rather than Dorco the actual manufacturer of the blades themselves. DSC is actually just a blade reseller, so suing them for patent infringement seems odd. Until you consider that this whole lawsuit may be part of a larger drive to either push DSC out of business or buy them out of business, in either case the cost of the lawsuit w…

If Dorco is manufacturing out side of the US or anywhere that P&G's patent is valid and not selling them into a valid country P&G can't really sue Dorco. At that point Dorco isn't violating anything it's the company that imports them that is the first point something is really being violated. edit: typo and pronoun vagueness.

But Dorco sell them in the US[0].

[0] http://www.dorcousa.com/

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Anyone shed some light on whether there is any validity, or is it just Gillette trying to scare DSC and their customers?

it is valid but it is just being used to run them out of business. The actual patent violator is Dorco but they are a foreign company and it would be pointless to sue them. Dollar shave club is merely importing patent infringing razors into the US. But patent law allows you to sue anyone who imports patent infringing materials which makes sense because it can be hard to identify the factory doing the patent infringing but the importer is easy to identify but in this case it is clear who the manufacturer is but it is more useful to sue their competitor than to go after the factory

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Classic "butthurt giant is mad at new competition and sues them to death" move. Subscribing to DSC today, wanted to do that a long time ago anyway.

I used DSC and regretted it, the razors are quite weak. I tried Harry's and was quite happy in the end. Much higher quality.

So terrible. I upgraded to the highest price tier they had, and realized that I really wasn't saving much money over Gillette and they were just TERRIBLE blades. Like running sandpaper over your face.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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I use two blades to shave - start with a "quality" blade (not Gillette) and finish with a cheaper disposable. It extends the life of both and gives me a very clean shave. I estimate that it's cut my blade costs in half since ditching Gillette. Oh, and don't forget the inexpensive Barbasol.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Classic "butthurt giant is mad at new competition and sues them to death" move. Subscribing to DSC today, wanted to do that a long time ago anyway.

Is "butthurt" homophobic or not? I didn't think it was but now people claim it is. So I might retire the term.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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It is extremely telling that Gillette is suing Dollar Shave Club, a direct competitor, rather than Dorco the actual manufacturer of the blades themselves. DSC is actually just a blade reseller, so suing them for patent infringement seems odd. Until you consider that this whole lawsuit may be part of a larger drive to either push DSC out of business or buy them out of business, in either case the cost of the lawsuit w…

Importation of a patent-infringing product is patent infringement whether you are manufacturing it or not.
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