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Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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+1 for Signal (used to be TextSecure). They now have a desktop app in beta which synchronises perfectly with my mobile

>They now have a desktop app It sit on the top of a close-source browser...

Chromium? No more closed source blobs [0]

[0]: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/26/googles_not_listenin...

Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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Interestingly, Fitch downgraded Brazil's Debt to junk yesterday. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/057c1240-a40f-11e5-b73f-95454... Anti-technology culture tells a lot about an economy, group or nation.

Is blocking an app because they ignored perfectly reasonable legal requests "anti-technology"?

I'd then call the developers "psychopaths" because they don't understand the harm done by drug smugglers.

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Of course they know what that is - and actively use it - just think of Facebook messenger.

They might actively use it but not because they want to. In fact, Brazil's most popular chatting app that is recently banned there doesn't have multi-device sync. Hangouts does. Everyone could use hangouts, but not nearly as many people do.

Using your phone number and address book to find contacts is what made it really easy for me. Also, iPhone users don't use Hangouts, but were somehow "forced" to use Whatsapp to talk to people on Android phones.

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Argentina cannot into economic prosperity since 1700s

Weren't they prosperous for a while after World War I?

They were prosperous when they had surges of incoming white immigrants from Europe, yes.

Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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I'm a judge in Brazil. Even tough I'd pray to not be the one that had to give such an impopular order (affecting more then 100 million Brazilians - WhatsApp is really a hit here), we have laws in this country and we must prosecute criminals.

Mark's talk about privacy is, in my opinion, totally misplaced. No right is absolute, and that includes the right to privacy. Criminals, for example, simply don't have it. This is not me saying; this is our Constitution saying it (and the Constitution of every Western country that I know).

We are biased to see all measures against privacy with bad eyes, specially after Snowden. But that's because you are good people and see the matter with those eyes, not with the eyes of a criminal. Do you guys think that pedophiles, terrorists and drug dealers have the right to privacy ? I don't.

Also, what the NSA was (is?) doing is a complete absurd, with no judicial oversight, mass collecting everything they can get in secrecy. This has nothing to do with what we have here. In Brazil, only a judge can authorize someone to be wiretapped, it can only be done in criminal cases with jail time (no civil cases). Also, the judge must specify a single phone number or single e-mail account and the decision must be reviewed every 15 days, otherwise it expires. Also, there's a national database of wiretaps that every judge must feed by the end of the month, specifying how many wiretaps there are currently running.

WhatsApp and Facebook are not, by any means, above the law. If they want to provide a communication service here, the law is clear that they must abide by judicial orders that allow wiretapping in very specific cases.

Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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What really happened: a drug smuggler with ties to a major criminal organization had been investigated and sentenced several months ago and since July Facebook and WhatsApp folks had not complied (actually they simply ignored all requests) with some users data the justice demanded to keep prosecuting the guy and his associates. Allegedly, according to the new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Civil_Rights_Frame…

No worries, in a few years, corporations will be able to sue governments into oblivion for lost revenue on cases like this...

I'd love to know what your background in law is to say such an absurd thing. What case would they have ? "We failed to comply with a judicial order and decided to protect criminal's privacy instead, and we got blocked. We want damages". Seriously ?

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+1 for Signal (used to be TextSecure). They now have a desktop app in beta which synchronises perfectly with my mobile

>They now have a desktop app It sit on the top of a close-source browser...

You can also use it with chromium, which is open source.

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+1 for Signal (used to be TextSecure). They now have a desktop app in beta which synchronises perfectly with my mobile

Installing Signal to try as well! Can Signal be taken down like WhatsApp if the same happens again in the future?

Yes, Signal's advantage is the cryptographical security of the messages. It's NOT server independent.

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I'm a judge in Brazil. Even tough I'd pray to not be the one that had to give such an impopular order (affecting more then 100 million Brazilians - WhatsApp is really a hit here), we have laws in this country and we must prosecute criminals. Mark's talk about privacy is, in my opinion, totally misplaced. No right is absolute, and that includes the right to privacy. Criminals, for example, simply don't have it. This i…

> Do you guys think that pedophiles, terrorists and drug dealers have the right to privacy ?

Do you mean _alleged_ criminals? Yes, they do.

Convicted criminals, on the other hand, don't have that right already.

Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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Shame they went there instead of to Signal, but I guess it may still be a marginal improvement.

I like how the Signal app (at least on Android) also works for insecure SMS to give me one place for messaging... well apart from everyone who uses WhatsApp at least.

What I'd love is if they could also make it an email client too. Letting me send/receive insecure emails or (if the recipient has Signal) encrypted email using the same key management. I'd much prefur to give out an email address (totally in my control) than a phone number (could be taken away from me at any moment).

One digital communication app please.

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