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Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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Can you explain each of those statements in turn?

"Argentina is becoming the new Venezuela": formerly prosperous country adopts ridiculous economic policies (key industries nationalized and handed over as private fiefs to incompetent cronies, exchange rate controls, price caps), sees economy go down the toilet and inflation rocket out of control "Venezuela clearly is becoming the new Cuba": Not content merely with wrecking the economy, leadership squashes all opposi…

Argentina cannot into economic prosperity since 1700s

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Interestingly, Fitch downgraded Brazil's Debt to junk yesterday. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/057c1240-a40f-11e5-b73f-95454... Anti-technology culture tells a lot about an economy, group or nation.

If you think this makes Brazil "anti-technology" I am curious to know your opinion about South Korea, which despite making a huge fraction of the world's smartphones and televisions has prevented Google Maps from working fully for their country. Point being, there are lots of reasons for countries to block certain things, and the notion that technology is inevitable and unquestionable does not carry water in many pla…

It would "be reasonable" to ban if the alternative was a similar local service (e.g. Baidu vs Google in China).

The alternative here was an outdated SMS communication (telecoms in Brazil are so terrible they make Verizon look good).

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Shame they went there instead of to Signal, but I guess it may still be a marginal improvement.

For me it would be a huge improvement if this happened in my country. It would mean that if I'm sitting in front of a keyboard and a screen as I am most of the day, I would be able to reply to my friends comfortably using them. With that joke of an application called Whatsapp, I have to choose between replying from a tiny smartphone screen and on-screen keyboard, or going through a ludicrous ritual of photographing a QR code (which works only if my phone has wifi signal and enough battery).

To be honest, privacy in a general-purpose messaging app is the least of my concerns, as I have other means of sending important messages to select people. What is really annoying about Whatsapp is its extreme device dependence* which forces me to depend on a single device for casual chat with friends, family and acquaintances (and not the most comfortable use one) when multi-device messenger apps have been around for more than a decade. Telegram is like a return to sanity in this respect, so any news about Telegram invading Whatsapp's space are great news to me.

*I say "extreme" because Whatsapp doesn't even like if you switch your SIM card from one phone to another. It's insane. I used to have two phones (one for regular use and a cheap old one for activities where it could get damaged easily) and I had to give that up because Whatsapp would force me to re-register every time I made the swap.

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These messaging apps are worse than... well, I don't know. This is as bad as it gets. Bicycles maybe? Incompatibility, fragmentation.. the worst thing you can have for application that is supposed to be used for communication.

Messaging apps are worse than bicycles? Sure, but to be fair, almost everything is worse than bicycles.

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I have used both, but never heard of Signal I'll try it.

+1 for Signal (used to be TextSecure). They now have a desktop app in beta which synchronises perfectly with my mobile

>They now have a desktop app

It sit on the top of a close-source browser...

Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Argentina is becoming the new Venezuela": formerly prosperous country adopts ridiculous economic policies (key industries nationalized and handed over as private fiefs to incompetent cronies, exchange rate controls, price caps), sees economy go down the toilet and inflation rocket out of control "Venezuela clearly is becoming the new Cuba": Not content merely with wrecking the economy, leadership squashes all opposi…

Argentina cannot into economic prosperity since 1700s

Weren't they prosperous for a while after World War I?

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This is false. I've tested this possibility by turning off phone and Signal Desktop still receives messages. Description of plan around which protocol was build is here [0]. [0]: https://gist.github.com/TheBlueMatt/d2fcfb78d29faca117f5

That's slightly better but still cumbersome to set up and with the primary device as a SPOF. What does the recovery procedure look like if you lose the master?

From what I've read in docs posted above, identity key is copied from S-Android to S-Desktop. If you lose S-Android, there are two possibilities.

1) Your keys are safe (device was encrypted and/or you've wiped it remotely, whatever). In such situation you could be able to transfer keys from S-Desktop to new mobile. AFAIK there is no such functionality yet (remember, its Beta).

2) Your keys are not safe. In such case no recovery is possible. Notify all contacts about the fact that they should "reset secure session", forgetting your Signal identity and establish new Signal identity.

Anyway, this is the only solution on market with secure chats and multi-device sync.

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What really happened: a drug smuggler with ties to a major criminal organization had been investigated and sentenced several months ago and since July Facebook and WhatsApp folks had not complied (actually they simply ignored all requests) with some users data the justice demanded to keep prosecuting the guy and his associates. Allegedly, according to the new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Civil_Rights_Frame…

No worries, in a few years, corporations will be able to sue governments into oblivion for lost revenue on cases like this...

Re: Telegram gains 1M users after Whatsapp ban

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Shame they went there instead of to Signal, but I guess it may still be a marginal improvement.

For me it would be a huge improvement if this happened in my country. It would mean that if I'm sitting in front of a keyboard and a screen as I am most of the day, I would be able to reply to my friends comfortably using them. With that joke of an application called Whatsapp, I have to choose between replying from a tiny smartphone screen and on-screen keyboard, or going through a ludicrous ritual of photographing a…

>or going through a ludicrous ritual of photographing a QR code

You know you have to do that only once yes?

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