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Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by Tloewald »

thomasahle wrote: post #148
siculars wrote: post #134

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Fandoy war? This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever. It is as common sense as you can get. Not having it is actually outright hostile towards users. I've used both Android and iOS for some time and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that iOS is far superior. In the meantime... talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0.

> This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever. IOs originally had no permission system at all. > talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0. Half a year ago.

Or October for non-developers. Was that half a year ago? Oh and it only works for apps targeting the latest APIs, which is how many apps?

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by tarblog »

siculars wrote: post #134
radlad wrote: post #111

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Android is implementing this in 6.0. No reason to make this a fanboy war. In any case, the app would probably say "Oh, I can't have camera? Well you can't have app." And it's not like you weren't warned on the page with "37 permissions".

Fandoy war? This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever. It is as common sense as you can get. Not having it is actually outright hostile towards users. I've used both Android and iOS for some time and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that iOS is far superior. In the meantime... talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0.

>has been in iOS since forever

Granular permissions have only been in iOS since version 6.0, which came out 3 years ago. The first version of iOS was 8 years ago. For a feature that's "as common sense as it gets" we sure got along fine without it for half a decade.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by nandemo »

Animats wrote: post #146

Aren't there systems for that already? Vizio's connected TV watches you, with a camera. Kinect watches you, with cameras and LIDAR. Orwell saw this coming. Winston Smith watches his exercise program: "6079 Smith W! Bend lower! You're not trying."

Nobody's forcing you to watch Netflix (or use Kinect, Facebook, etc) at gunpoint.

If anything the trend of tracking/surveillance with consent is Huxleyish rather than Orwellian.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by JoBrad »

tarblog wrote: post #152
siculars wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fandoy war? This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever. It is as common sense as you can get. Not having it is actually outright hostile towards users. I've used both Android and iOS for some time and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that iOS is far superior. In the meantime... talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0.

>has been in iOS since forever Granular permissions have only been in iOS since version 6.0, which came out 3 years ago. The first version of iOS was 8 years ago. For a feature that's "as common sense as it gets" we sure got along fine without it for half a decade.

I wouldn't say we were getting along fine without it. There were some pretty big privacy breaches[1], which helped move Apple forward. I think Google and Android are great, but on this topic they have held out for as long as possible, it seems[2].

[1] http://www.cnet.com/news/path-shares-photos-oh-and-uploads-y...

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/20/android-ap...

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by techdragon »

k1t wrote: post #140
ChuckMcM wrote: post #81

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Oh its a lot more sinister than that, and its already here. An app I tried to run on my Android phone would run a video ad before it started, it used the front facing camera to determine if someone was looking at the phone. I looked away and started typing on my laptop and the ad paused, I looked back and it restarted, I looked away and the ad paused. I looked back and deleted the App.

You don't say which phone, but this behavior sounds like Samsung Smart Pause[0]. It's possible that it was not related to the app/ad vendor. [0] http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/skp/faq/1053479

I don't care who causes a thing like that. If it's the app I'll get rid of it, if it was the phone, id return it. That is way too intrusive.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by JoBrad »

skizm wrote: post #89
ChuckMcM wrote: post #81

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Oh its a lot more sinister than that, and its already here. An app I tried to run on my Android phone would run a video ad before it started, it used the front facing camera to determine if someone was looking at the phone. I looked away and started typing on my laptop and the ad paused, I looked back and it restarted, I looked away and the ad paused. I looked back and deleted the App.

Yikes, that's straight out of a Black Mirror episode.

This was the first episode I watched, for some reason. Crazy spooky, but also really good. Got me hooked, for sure.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by urs2102 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #81
floatrock wrote: post #42

I RTFA, I know this an arduino-based DIY hobby project. But if something like this ever comes out for real, the ability to doze off and pause your TV show will be a trojan horse... You've seen those charts where people use their smart watch to record their heart rate during the game of thrones finale? (No? Here you go: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/08/13/what-game-of-thrones-... ) Sure, downloading the Netflix pau…

Oh its a lot more sinister than that, and its already here. An app I tried to run on my Android phone would run a video ad before it started, it used the front facing camera to determine if someone was looking at the phone. I looked away and started typing on my laptop and the ad paused, I looked back and it restarted, I looked away and the ad paused. I looked back and deleted the App.

It's like Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Merits[0].

If you want a great show about stuff in this space, check out Black Mirror.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteen_Million_Merits

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by greggman »

biot wrote: post #104
ChuckMcM wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh its a lot more sinister than that, and its already here. An app I tried to run on my Android phone would run a video ad before it started, it used the front facing camera to determine if someone was looking at the phone. I looked away and started typing on my laptop and the ad paused, I looked back and it restarted, I looked away and the ad paused. I looked back and deleted the App.

This is why I don't use Android. On iOS, you install the app and at some point you see a prompt "This app would like access to your camera. Allow?" and you can click "Don't Allow" and keep using everything else. Versus Android, which at install time asks "This app wants access to these 37 different things. Allow everything and install, or would you prefer to kindly fuck off?"

its not really that simple, even on iOS. I'd like to allow facebook to access the camera so I can take a picture to send to someone directly from the app. But that means I've given it permission to access the camera period at that point. Not just permission to take a single picture. Similarly I'd like to give an app permissions to save pictures to the os level photo db. But the permission isn't 'save' it's 'access your photos'. Which means once I give it permission it can look at all the photos on the camera.

I'd personally prefer more fine grained permissions. Permission to take a picture (and read just those pictures the app took), permission to save pictures to the OS picture db. Permission to read pictures from the os picture DB the app didn't take.

I actually don't know if that would be any kind of solution. Another would be if the only way to access pictures was an OS level ui. That way the app couldn't access the pictures directly.

at the same time that would limit useful things apps can do. For example the fb messenger app showing half the display as a live feed from the camera.

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