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Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by andrewguenther » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 1:48 AM UTC

siculars wrote: post #134

radlad wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is implementing this in 6.0. No reason to make this a fanboy war. In any case, the app would probably say "Oh, I can't have camera? Well you can't have app." And it's not like you weren't warned on the page with "37 permissions".

Fandoy war? This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever. It is as common sense as you can get. Not having it is actually outright hostile towards users. I've used both Android and iOS for some time and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that iOS is far superior. In the meantime... talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0.

"I've used both Android and iOS for some time and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that iOS is far superior."

Nope, no fanboying here, move along folks.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by peterwwillis » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 1:51 AM UTC

This is clearly overengineering. All you need to do is hack your kinect to look for eyeballs; no eyeballs for a minute? Pause the show.

Might not work if you have cats.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by brewdad » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 1:52 AM UTC

JoshMnem wrote: post #127

livingparadox wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution here is to clearly tell those apps to fuck off. Though, the latest version of android odes allow you to "allow" or "don't allow" features like that. Its the only reason that I finally installed the facebook app.

You might like this alternative: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danvelazco...

I've been using that app for years. Friends still chuckle when they see that app name on my phone screen.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by HappyTypist » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 1:52 AM UTC

verbify wrote: post #126

sossles wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the AppStore, apps are required to gracefully degrade where permissions are not granted, and you can be rejected for not doing that. That seems unlikely to be enforced on the Play Store.

Can anyone confirm if that is the case with uber? On Android, if location isn't enabled, you can't use uber. And before anyone claims location services are necessary to find the user and stop ddos attacks - I've ordered uber before for people in other parts of town, and I'm a signed in user with a track record of making payments.

As much as I respect not wanting to share location, the average user tends to be quite un-tech-savvy. Say that on average users without location services enabled makes 5x more wrong requests - that can result in hundreds of thousands of lost driver hours.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by markm248 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 2:00 AM UTC

Your move Slack.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by Animats » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 2:02 AM UTC

Aren't there systems for that already? Vizio's connected TV watches you, with a camera. Kinect watches you, with cameras and LIDAR.

Orwell saw this coming. Winston Smith watches his exercise program: "6079 Smith W! Bend lower! You're not trying."

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by qq66 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 2:05 AM UTC

sroerick wrote: post #131

sossles wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the AppStore, apps are required to gracefully degrade where permissions are not granted, and you can be rejected for not doing that. That seems unlikely to be enforced on the Play Store.

This is not the case with iOS snapchat. Disabling the camera prevents app use.

I haven't used Android, but culturally it seems like iOS developers try to deliver as much as they can with the permissions you give them. A voice recording app would probably just refuse to function without microphone access, but a video app will typically simply record a silent video if you give camera access but deny microphone access.

I don't know if this is enforced by Apple's review process or whether it's an emergent custom.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by thomasahle » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 2:06 AM UTC

siculars wrote: post #134

radlad wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is implementing this in 6.0. No reason to make this a fanboy war. In any case, the app would probably say "Oh, I can't have camera? Well you can't have app." And it's not like you weren't warned on the page with "37 permissions".

Fandoy war? This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever. It is as common sense as you can get. Not having it is actually outright hostile towards users. I've used both Android and iOS for some time and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that iOS is far superior. In the meantime... talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0.

> This basic privacy/security feature has been in iOS since forever.

IOs originally had no permission system at all.

> talk to me when Android gets this basic feature in 6.0.

Half a year ago.

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by notatoad » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 2:16 AM UTC

JoshMnem wrote: post #124

radlad wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is implementing this in 6.0. No reason to make this a fanboy war. In any case, the app would probably say "Oh, I can't have camera? Well you can't have app." And it's not like you weren't warned on the page with "37 permissions".

It isn't a fanboy war. The Android permission system is terrible, and users cannot get a sense of what apps are able to do. I've used Android since Galaxy I. I've never used an iPhone.

As the parent comment says, this is now fixed. Android has moved to an iOS style permissions system in 6.0

Re: Netflix socks detect when you've dozed off and pause your TV show

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Post by Tloewald » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 2:25 AM UTC

JoshMnem wrote: post #124

radlad wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is implementing this in 6.0. No reason to make this a fanboy war. In any case, the app would probably say "Oh, I can't have camera? Well you can't have app." And it's not like you weren't warned on the page with "37 permissions".

It isn't a fanboy war. The Android permission system is terrible, and users cannot get a sense of what apps are able to do. I've used Android since Galaxy I. I've never used an iPhone.

Given that the number of users for whom it's "fixed" rounds to 0 (and the proportion of apps targeting the v6 SDK probably also rounds to 0, so even if you are running Marshmallow it won't work for the vast majority of apps) I think that specifying that it's "fixed" is a tad overstated.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmall...