Live data from Hacker News

I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

joseduarte.com

131–140 of 380 posts

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#131
post #28

I was blocked by a large mass of people with a shared Twitter block list including a number of comedy feeds I used to like to follow, because one of them disliked my political affiliation I had listed on my Twitter page. The person told me as much before blocking me. I've since removed it to prevent future discrimination, but I shouldn't have to and I don't much care for this brave new world.

There's nothing new about this. Some people stopped associating with you because they didn't like your opinions, a story as old as humanity itself.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You have a choice of only two parties to represent a population of 310M people of diverse backgrounds. That's simply not true, and a drastic oversimplification of American politics. It is true that there are two mainstream America political parties. However, anyone is free to run as an Independent or under the banner of any other party they choose, whether that be the Green Party or the Libertarian Party. Here is a…

> That's simply not true, and a drastic oversimplification of American politics. It is in practice quite true even if it is not nominally true, and not only that it is true, but the connection between it and the particular kind of poorly-representative electoral system the US has been established by comparative study across democracies. > There isn't a democracy problem in America Yes, there is, largely to a very poo…

>Yes, there is, largely to a very poorly representative electoral system. Lots of elections doesn't make a well-functioning democracy, that takes elections which produce governments that are effectively representative.

Can you explain in what sense American government is not representative?

People freely choosing to vote for people that you don't consider to be in their best interests does not make a government unrepresentative.

There are a few factors that impact representativeness - gerrymandering and the ineligibility of felons and illegal immigrants, for instance, but all-in-all that impact is pretty minor. In particular, of course, at a local and state level, those impacts are reduced along with the scale. There's an unwarranted hyper-focus on federal government because it's the most visible and affects the most citizens, but for most people's day to day lives, it is the least important level of government.

If Americans have a divisive, gridlocked federal government that produces results nobody likes, that's the natural consequence of a divisive, gridlocked populace that doesn't know what it wants (lower taxes! more social security! balance the budget!), not un-representative government.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#133
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's less a generalization of everyone who has a degree being incapable of performing that task (I'd imagine a lot would be able to figure it out, it's not complicated) and more the idea that knowledge which is highly useful such as that is viewed as being "beneath" knowledge such as a thorough understanding of the writings of Socrates. The catch there is that knowing Socrates isn't getting you off the side of the ro…

You had someone be rude to you because you know how to fix a car? As you said, that's a far easier skill to learn than say programming. However, I have never encountered such an attitude and have lived on both coasts. I think people greatly appreciate skilled mechanics, tradesmen, etc. all over the country. The best can usually charge a premium. That's no different on the coasts. I doubt this will be a popular opinio…

> Frankly, I think belief in the supernatural should be screenable in an employment application

If you apply this fairly, it would exclude a lot of people. For example, I meet a lot of people folks here on HN that believe in "human rights" or "natural rights" that don't arise out of legal documents. But if you cut someone open, you can't find any "natural rights" in there, nor has anyone provided experimental evidence characterizing the physics of "natural rights."

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#134

What school denied him? Because if was a public institution, bad on them. But if it was a private university, then that's their right. Feel free to disagree with them, but a private university is allowed to have political views and admit folks to their programs based political views [1]. [1] http://education-law.lawyers.com/school-law/can-private-scho...

Reading your link, it's not so much a matter of public vs private schools as it is whether or not they receive public funding. And the vast majority of private universities do.

I would say that the relevant question to this article would be if they should be accepted into the broader academic journals and conferences if they are explicitly biased. They have every right to enforce a bias, but then they have no right to be thought of as scientists and researchers by the public at large.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#135

I offer as a hypothesis the belief that graduate study programs, even in hard sciences such as physics, aren't looking for scholars, but disciples.

Unless you want to put the word some in there your hypothesis/belief is easy to falsify/repudiate.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#136

As someone who grew up in a strongly red area and with beliefs in that vein, I know EXACTLY the kind of exclusion that the author is talking about to a painful degree. For anyone who wants to experience it, walk into any Reddit discussion and tell everyone you're a devout Christian and watch the pseudo intellectuals exercise their "openness." And yes it's true I'm far from the most religious person there is, and I st…

Ditto. The left made the personal political, not the right. They're the ones who say we're not allowed to have jobs if we think the wrong thoughts or have the wrong opinions. Even the worst bible-thumping rednecks I know (many, many cousins of both sides of the family) will agree to disagree and behave in a civil manner in the presence of those with whom they disagree. When I was living in San Francisco, I've been li…

> When I was living in San Francisco, I've been literally run out of coffee shops, restaurants and parties after the wrong person finds out I'm pro-gun.

Come to Seattle, in my RPG group we had 2 people conceal carry and visits to the local range are a common activity for all political persuasions.

One night one of my players brought in a collection of knives he'd just purchased. The MtG players next to us did look a bit.... unsettled as we handed around all the various new sharp toys that'd been brought in.

> They're the ones who say we're not allowed to have jobs if we think the wrong thoughts or have the wrong opinions.

I've seen plenty of people on the right proclaim that "all atheists should be removed from the country" or that "if you aren't Christian you are a traitor to the nation."

The people you are complaining about and the people I am complaining about are all authoritarian, that is the problem, not the left/right spread. The people who cause problems are those who think someone should be in charge and be dictating the rules that everyone must follow.

The actual set of rules being dictated is fairly arbitrary.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#137
post #131
post #28

I was blocked by a large mass of people with a shared Twitter block list including a number of comedy feeds I used to like to follow, because one of them disliked my political affiliation I had listed on my Twitter page. The person told me as much before blocking me. I've since removed it to prevent future discrimination, but I shouldn't have to and I don't much care for this brave new world.

There's nothing new about this. Some people stopped associating with you because they didn't like your opinions, a story as old as humanity itself.

No. The new part is that even people I didn't offend with my sensibilities are not associating with me on an automated basis.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#138

Ideological homogeneity isn't the starting condition it's the ending condition, the achieved goal. How could you see that homogeneity and then say "this could be an issue only in an incredibly tribal ideological environment" and not realize that's exactly what academia is and has been for a long time? Have you not read your Saul Alinsky? There's a reason his devotee is the top prez nominee (Clinton). Climate conferen…

> Climate conferences, academia Are you sure the two are exactly alike? I realize there's a lot of soft science that's ridiculous, but it's generally accepted that global warming exists.

It's fairly well understood that most organizations exist to perpetuate themselves. If GW doesn't exist a whole tonne of organization cease to exist, just as if GW does exist a whole tonne of organizations cease to exist.

Oddly, you'll find that organizations opinions on GW align fairly well with their source of funding.

GW is a hugely political topic, and in my estimation has little to do with hard science anymore.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see what you're saying. I just disagree that isn't a two way street. I'm from the South and can't go home without being made fun of for "doing computers".

> I'm from the South and can't go home without being made fun of for "doing computers". I'm from the South and have never heard of an adult being made fun of for working with computers. And my family on both paternal and maternal sides is very Southern, having been in SC/NC since before the Revolutionary War. I have noticed that some family tease a lot about anything and everything, but this seems to cross regions an…

Hopefully the point I was making was apparent that no education level, working class, economic status, or any other classification I'm omitting has a monopoly on deriding others not like them.

There's no need to focus on the example I used. To reply, though, this is something I've encountered in Southern Georgia and I'll say that a) it may have to do with my physical appearance and b) it really isn't bothersome or overly mean spirited. I don't get too hung up on anything like that.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

#140
post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't being insulting a valid part of humor? And I would hesitate to call such a mild joke "abuse".

Given that the GP is complaining of feeling excluded by such things, it's hypocritical to do the same in reverse. The GP is basically deriding all people on high salary as being pseudo-intellectuals. The problem I have with the GP is not the literal words (I have no problem with style), but that he's complaining of being stereotyped while spreading a stereotyped anti-intellectual message.

Now see, this is a valid point that I feel has substance. His style, for me, is not very important in comparison.
Post reply on HN