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I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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>most of whom can't even swap a tire for a donut without calling AAA. There's a certain irony here I can't dismiss. You write three paragraphs about being victimized by stereotyping Middle America, then end your rant by.... stereotyping everyone on the east coast (or those who sought extended education).

It's less a generalization of everyone who has a degree being incapable of performing that task (I'd imagine a lot would be able to figure it out, it's not complicated) and more the idea that knowledge which is highly useful such as that is viewed as being "beneath" knowledge such as a thorough understanding of the writings of Socrates. The catch there is that knowing Socrates isn't getting you off the side of the ro…

You had someone be rude to you because you know how to fix a car?

As you said, that's a far easier skill to learn than say programming. However, I have never encountered such an attitude and have lived on both coasts. I think people greatly appreciate skilled mechanics, tradesmen, etc. all over the country. The best can usually charge a premium. That's no different on the coasts.

I doubt this will be a popular opinion: Frankly, I think belief in the supernatural should be screenable in an employment application. Maybe it doesn't affect how you think about the world and how you think about solutions to problems but it could. Maybe you're prone to believing in unsupported theories because you've trained your brain to do so in your private life? Maybe you press on with an idea when you shouldn't. Maybe that will effect your business decisions?

I'm not an atheist. I just think it's an interesting question. I grew up with a lot of Mormons who metaphorically drowned the parts of their brain that were curious about the world. The sad part was that they were required to in order to fit into their community and maintain good familial relations. A lot of them struggled with it and still do. I say it's sad because they could have achieved and contributed a lot more to the world. Now most of them are salesmen, which is a skill they learned on their missions.

I think about this often. As humans, our brains look for social signals for shortcuts (read Robert Cialdini). Do people use religious belief as a shortcut? Do they do so subconsciously? I've never asked someone about their religious beliefs in an interview but if they mentioned it, would I subconsciously reach a different conclusion? Would I be less willing to trust that they have good, objective business sense? Would I want someone who believes in the bible literally as an engineer? What about as a salesman? Maybe for marketing? Does it aid creative thinking or impair it?

Why would you bring up religion in an interview?

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Or, you might laugh? It is funny. Taking this single little point and then using it to systematically reject the whole argument is an example of what the parent was ranting about.

Who rejected anything? This is more hyperbole. I stress, that does not strengthen an argument. It is an extra-factual means of convincing people via emotional channels that an argument is stronger than it is.

>and we might use our fancy coastal intelligences to reason that the point is probably weak.

You have rejected his argument right there.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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post #37

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To an European it's always amusing when Americans pretend they have a left wing.

To an American it's always amusing when a European tells us our political system is unsatisfactory. Over and over and over again. Never gets old. No, really. Keep it up.

You have a choice of only two parties to represent a population of 310M people of diverse backgrounds. How can that possibly be anything but unsatisfactory, regardless of your origin?

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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As an American I'm always confused by this kind of statement. From what I've read of European politics it really doesn't seem that different in the rhetoric, just in how the different parties and individuals refer to themselves. The laws and systems are different, but to me the politicians are roughly the same.

Most European countries -- and most democracies in general, though there are some exceptions -- have, largely due to differences in electoral systems, more real axis of variations among visible electoral parties and farther extremes on the axes that roughly align with those in the US which are represented. On top of that, the center in the US is pretty far to the right in European terms; the mainstream of the Republi…

But I don't necessarily think that's a fair comparison. I look at it in terms of what politicians say they want to do and what they eventually do versus what the people say they want and what they accept. In the long run, the rhetoric from politicians and the effect of the resulting laws on the people seem really similar.

But as someone else pointed out elsewhere on the page, I guess it depends on how you define left and right in terms of politics.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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This is clearly wrong unless you posthumously redefine all right-wing political violence as being leftist. Though, really, "left" and "right" are useless terms without defining your usage of them beforehand. Rest assured, there are many right-wingers who are all too willing to make the personal political and to stifle dissent. In fact, that's more-or-less a signature distinction of the New Right that emerged around t…

...Isn't one of the tropes of the left that you can't just reject the experiences of others offhand in such a manner? Maybe the parent has been run out of places when his views were known. Who are you to just reject that and say that's wrong?

> ...Isn't one of the tropes of the left that you can't just reject the experiences of others offhand in such a manner?

The first paragraph, which appeared to be what was rejected, was a generalization, not a recounting of personal experience.

And, nothing in the post you responded to was any kind of rejection that violates any precept that is particularly common, AFAICT, on the left (it might, I suppose, violate a right-wing stereotype of the left, but, then, that's more a problem of the alignment of the stereotype with reality.)

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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If everyone in government is a Democrat, why do you need elections?

Do you really want me to start going through the list of Democrat cunts I want out of office such as Dianne Feinstein despite the fact I usually vote for Democrats? Just because people are in a given group doesn't mean you want them around with the ability to exercise power.

"Cunts"? Really? And you expect to be taken seriously by grownups?

I mean, I was going to ask you why it's not okay to invalidate the experiences of women talking about sexism in tech, but totally okay to invalidate the experiences of people with unpopular beliefs talking about how they've been mistreated on that basis. I don't think I'm going to bother, because I don't see that argument getting anywhere with you -- but, you know, that's really not because it's the argument that's flawed.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Ideological homogeneity isn't the starting condition it's the ending condition, the achieved goal. How could you see that homogeneity and then say "this could be an issue only in an incredibly tribal ideological environment" and not realize that's exactly what academia is and has been for a long time? Have you not read your Saul Alinsky? There's a reason his devotee is the top prez nominee (Clinton). Climate conferences, academia, these are pure political spheres; you CANNOT rock the boat before tenure. With the net now, nothing is under the radar, so you will have to resign yourself to a lower tier placement, but it might be a great spot for you since politics determines school ranking.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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Does 'rationalisation' have some strange meaning in this context that I'm unfamiliar with? As far as I'm concerned any view justifying the matter is a rationalisation, left or right wing politically; agree or disagree it's certainly nothing to be upset about being called a rationalisation.

Rationalization is usually said when the conclusion comes first, and the "reasoning" latter. First you decide what you think, then why. This "reasoning" is considered suspect, and called a rationalization.

What's interesting is that this is actually how the human brain works. It was in the news and stuff a while ago.

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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If everyone has been so far as to do look like, why do you even?

I guess English is not your first language? I can't understand anything past "been", which is surprising given how easily I understood your last question.

That was a reference to a meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/has-anyone-really-been-far-eve...

Re: I was denied admission to a PhD program because of my perceived political views

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...Isn't one of the tropes of the left that you can't just reject the experiences of others offhand in such a manner? Maybe the parent has been run out of places when his views were known. Who are you to just reject that and say that's wrong?

> ...Isn't one of the tropes of the left that you can't just reject the experiences of others offhand in such a manner? The first paragraph, which appeared to be what was rejected, was a generalization, not a recounting of personal experience. And, nothing in the post you responded to was any kind of rejection that violates any precept that is particularly common, AFAICT, on the left (it might, I suppose, violate a r…

I am not sure how else to interpret a post wherein someone relates something personal and then the first sentence of the follow up tells them they're wrong.
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