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Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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I'm glad to see this on HN. Flint is often a forgot about place in the world. I grew up there and now live outside of Flint. My dad was murdered there. But I always think Flint is prime for opportunity. The people need basic essentials, water, food, shelter. But the infrastructure to build factories is there. Power, train lines, the whole deal. It's really a shame. The sad part is, the people are still hell bent on s…

West Virginia is like that too with the mining companies.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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No, according to the CDC: > Heating or boiling your water will not remove lead. Because some of the water evaporates during the boiling process, the lead concentration of the water can actually increase slightly as the water is boiled. http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/private/wells/disea...

It depends on the lead salt type, but you could usually precipitate the soluble lead into an insoluble salt with simple ingredients available at home - then, you could remove the formed salt with a proper filter to remove most of the lead. http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/group4/lead.html

Solid guide, but having to purify the water coming out of your tap defeats much of the purpose of having a city water supply.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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So Flint has failed to govern itself - hardly the first time - and now children are poisoned. The city apparently now expects the rest of the country to pick up the tab for the cleanup of their mess. At some point it should become necessary to recognize and acknowledge that self-government has failed and must end. I'd suggest some form of a city death penalty - declare the city dead and give the locals a one-time off…

Is there any other conclusion to these areas where ignorance is a badge of honor? Once you cross that line where you start rewarding people for standing up to "the man" no matter how reasonable and logical said man's actions are, you're already locked into the road to ruin. I don't see how you recover from it.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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I particularly like the comments to that article stating that only "liberals" believe the water supply is heaving with lead. The ridiculous political bun-fight infects everything, it seems. It's a mental disease.

I'm curious what excuse the anti-liberals come up with once their children are diagnosed with lead.

Aren't places like Flint and Detroit pretty much poster children of progressive thought? I think anti-liberal people use them as case studies to attract converts, as in, look what you get if you have one-party Democratic rule for 50 years and strong unions, and other progressive notions.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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So Flint has failed to govern itself - hardly the first time - and now children are poisoned. The city apparently now expects the rest of the country to pick up the tab for the cleanup of their mess. At some point it should become necessary to recognize and acknowledge that self-government has failed and must end. I'd suggest some form of a city death penalty - declare the city dead and give the locals a one-time off…

The infrastructure for solid factory work is all still there. They just need a collection of companies from another industry to capitalize on the manufacturing assets there.

What makes this area so good for manufacturing? (I've never been and I'm curious)

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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Off-topic, but what's the point of the "this is not medical advice" disclaimer? Your post is, patently obviously, medical advice.

> Your post is, patently obviously, medical advice.

Or it is the provision of basic information to avoid "not knowing about what you don't know". Knowing that this option might exist, you can ask medical professionals about it.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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What big businesses are you talking about? Water in almost every U.S. city is provided by a municipal utility. E.g. in Flint, it's the Utilities Department: https://www.cityofflint.com/public-works/water-service-cente... . Water rates are set by the city, and are just too low to cover modernization of the systems. Both the ASCE and the EPA have reported that investment in water systems is a fraction of what is requir…

Here's a big water utility company: http://www.amwater.com/about-us/our-states.html It's pretty common for water supply to be treated as a utility, with municipal monopolies provided - like cable or electricity.

Only 15% of water utilities are private companies: http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Po-Re/Privatization-of-Wate.... And even, it's usually an arrangement where the city contracts with a private company to operate its water system. The companies don't own the system and prices are set by the municipalities.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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It depends on the lead salt type, but you could usually precipitate the soluble lead into an insoluble salt with simple ingredients available at home - then, you could remove the formed salt with a proper filter to remove most of the lead. http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/group4/lead.html

Solid guide, but having to purify the water coming out of your tap defeats much of the purpose of having a city water supply.

I agree, but it's usually less expensive than buying bottled water.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

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The amount of revenue coming into the water department doesn't matter for getting financing?

Not current revenue. Bonds for something like are typically secured by revenue. When they issue a revenue bond, they need to have the ability to raise the rates to cover the bond. Current rates only matter if they are too high. The situation in a place like Flint or Detroit is complicated by the fact that the municipality is depopulating, and they cannot afford the infrastructure built for a few million people that n…

> When they issue a revenue bond, they need to have the ability to raise the rates to cover the bond.

They have little practical ability to raise rates, because raising water rates is politically untenable in most places.

Re: Flint, MI: So much lead in children’s blood, state of emergency declared

#110

I'm glad to see this on HN. Flint is often a forgot about place in the world. I grew up there and now live outside of Flint. My dad was murdered there. But I always think Flint is prime for opportunity. The people need basic essentials, water, food, shelter. But the infrastructure to build factories is there. Power, train lines, the whole deal. It's really a shame. The sad part is, the people are still hell bent on s…

I grew up there too, on the east side. It was interesting if nothing else, but I was pretty happy to leave the minute I turned 18. I think 90% of the people I knew growing up have left.

You're right about the infrastructure, they even have an airport. Somehow I doubt it will come back. At least occasionally people talk about Detroit revitalization, but you never hear that for Flint.

This lead in the water thing is shameful and makes me very sad and angry.

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