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WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

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Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

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post #9

I wonder why I didn't get this e-mail. I pre-ordered one some time ago.

I pre-ordered the product and I did not receive this e-mail either. I forget the exact options relating to e-mail that I selected during the Google Checkout process, but I either chose not to disclose my e-mail address to the seller or I did not opt in for e-mails from the seller. I'm guessing you did the same and that's why we didn't receive the e-mail.

If one of the WakeMate guys read this, it would be good to post this on the blog or main website so people who did not get the e-mail can still get the information directly from WakeMate and fill out the questionnaire.

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#42

I think they should give the premium features to those of us who pre-ordered, for free, permanently. It wouldn't cost them anything extra to do so (maybe a few dollars/year in server costs for the entire pre-order userbase). Sure, they will lose potential subscriber costs for some pre-order customers, but if they can't sell enough WakeMates to make the pre-order crowd an insignificant blip, then they are not going to…

Exactly, I expected the web version to improve over time, and I expected (and was fully willing) to pay for a better and improved wakemate down the road (better battery life, smaller, etc).

Having to pay for both hardware upgrades and for monthly analytics... that seems a bit much.

Also the WakeMate marketing message is disingenuous: "Limited quantity, reserve today" it says on the front page, which indicates that the WakeMate device actually exist. From the email they sent this morning it's clear that they accepted "thousands" of pre-orders and that the device was still in the concept phase (otherwise they could never make all those changes to the design/internals).

How a company acts in the first few months is generally a pretty good indicator of how the company is going to turn out. Maybe I should get out while I can.

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#43
post #41
post #9

I wonder why I didn't get this e-mail. I pre-ordered one some time ago.

I pre-ordered the product and I did not receive this e-mail either. I forget the exact options relating to e-mail that I selected during the Google Checkout process, but I either chose not to disclose my e-mail address to the seller or I did not opt in for e-mails from the seller. I'm guessing you did the same and that's why we didn't receive the e-mail. If one of the WakeMate guys read this, it would be good to post…

Yeah I agree, I didn't get this email and I was frantically checking their blog, which looks dead, and their website, which hasn't changed to reflect anything said in the email.

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#46
post #17

Perhaps they should have announced the monthly fees before the delay. I'm more than a little disappointed to find out that I'm not getting it on time, and that I might unexpectedly have to pay a monthly fee once it does ship.

They've answered this concern on Twitter: "all the planned features are still free! we've developed some new awesome premium features that we're planning on charging for." http://twitter.com/wakemate/status/8102380070

Just now seeing this thread. I posted my thoughts regarding the reply here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1072131

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#47
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the email they mention delays due to new innovations -- so basically, I won't be getting my product on time because they were developing a premium service I didn't know about and will now have to pay for to benefit. Doesn't seem right...

I'm sorry if it seemed that way. The new features are in software and the delays are mostly hardware related. I would be pissed too if it was delayed because we were trying to squeeze more money out of you. That's not the case.

I've worked in places where we've hired professional writers to get out our message. At first, like any smug technologist who thought he had a perfect grasp of the English language, I thought they were a waste of money. But what I didn't realize is how well professional writers can empathize with readers.

First off, I'm not too upset with the email I received. But your email suffered from mixed messages.

In 1999 here in Toronto there was a huge snowstorm. We received 1.2 m of snow that month. We ran out of places to store the stuff (e.g., once it's ploughed in a city you can only pile it so high, it must be trucked elsewhere at some point). Everyone was beginning to get pissed at the city government for how it was handling a situation which, remember, was out of its control. All they could do was react. I remember one memorable news briefing in which the head of the department responsible for clearing our roads got up and issued a statement. I'm paraphrasing from memory (and assembling some facts via Google). But it went something like this:

"We have 800 city staff, 1400 contracted workers, and over 500 military personnel currently working around the clock to clear the snow. They are collectively using 2000 pieces of heavy equipment including ploughs, ice melters, salters, and front-end loaders. That said, Toronto has 5600 km of roads and 7945 km of sidewalks. We cannot clear all roads and sidewalks instantaneously and it will take some time. We believe we can clear the highways and main arterial roads in the next 24 hours. If needed, military personnel in Bison vehicles will respond to 911 calls in order to transport victims to the hospital. It will take several more days to clear side streets and we will need your help. You will be notified when your street will be ploughed. Please remove parked cars so that we can accomplish this task more easily. You will not be ticketed for parking elsewhere during this time. If you do not move your car, it may be towed to an adjacent street at no charge."

The mood seemed to change after that. The statement single-handedly accomplished the following things. It:

-clarified the scope and magnitude of the problem we were facing in a manner that everyone could understand

-reassured people that the government was on top of things by providing specific facts

-set manageable expectations

A statement like the following would have been way better received I think (I'm making up some facts of course):

"Wakemate launched 75 days ago as a 2 person startup. We began pre-orders 50 days ago to incredible demand. In fact, we have received over 5000 pre-orders which is above and beyond our wildest dreams for initial demand. We are currently working 7 days a week around the clock in order to get you your Wakemate as quickly as possible. But we are sorry to inform you that we will not be able to meet our original deadline of January 25th. Instead, we anticipate that we will be able to fulfill our pre-orders over the course of the next 90 days. So that we may more effectively address the orders, we need to know what device you will be using the Wakemate with and who your service provider is (link to survey). This information will allow us to prioritize shipment and provide you with more specific shipping dates. You will receive another email by February 15th detailing such information. Should you have any questions or concerns about your pre-order, please email us at..." (leave the whole premium feature spiel for the follow-up email as there is nothing that customers can do to utilize these features now anyway)

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#48

A couple questions: 1) The phones listed are iPhone, Blackberry, Android, Windows mobile, Palm & non-smart phone. Which category does symbian fall under? I have already been informed by email that there will be a s60 app. 2) Premium analytics?? I was under the impression that the entire analysis would be made available as a service that came with the device. The site, as far as I can tell, does not mention that some…

Not including an option for Symbian is going to screw up their figures, at least for non-US respondents. Symbian phone users are either going to pick "non-smartphone", which is misleading, or more likely skip the survey, which means a hefty response bias. I've sent them an email to this effect; you might want to as well.

Edit: I checked again and the form now has a Symbian option.

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#49

I want my money back, and I'm going to request it till they do. I feel cheated - fitbit is shipping, and what the hell is this bullshit about premium analytics?! When I pre-ordered there was no indication that there was going to be a monthly fee - and now they are delayed and can't even say when it will appear. And they are talking of MONTHS of delay? I was really impressed when I first saw the company, but my mood h…

I'm really sorry you feel that way. Of course if you want your money back we have no problem refunding your 5 dollars. We've developed some great premium features in addition to the existing product. The main features are still free. We're working really hard to get the product out. It's difficult to launch quickly and iterate with hardware and we want the product to be amazing. I can promise that it will definitely…

You don't get it. As somebody noted up-thread, real apologies start with "I'm sorry I" not "I'm sorry you."

Re: WakeMate (YC S09) Shipping Delayed

#50
post #4

A couple questions: 1) The phones listed are iPhone, Blackberry, Android, Windows mobile, Palm & non-smart phone. Which category does symbian fall under? I have already been informed by email that there will be a s60 app. 2) Premium analytics?? I was under the impression that the entire analysis would be made available as a service that came with the device. The site, as far as I can tell, does not mention that some…

In order to compensate for this delay, we will be giving everyone who pre-ordered one month of Premium Analytics Features FREE for EACH month their delivery is delayed. EACH month? That doesn't bode well...

It's ridiculously lame. They've turned their fuckup into an attempt to up-sell people to a monthly service, and all without ever really apologizing.

One month per month? That's a really bad joke.

It's as though they're trying to make sure their early adopters are unhappy, and don't recommend them, or generate positive publicity.

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