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What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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One issue with affirmative action which rarely gets addressed: What is the definition of a certain race anyway?

If someone is from two black parents, fine, they're black. But what if one parent was black and one was white, are they black? Are their children black? What about their children's children? Are we going to spin out genetic testing, color cards, or start looking at people's family tree to decide eligibility?

Honestly I think the US has the right idea, but has the wrong implementation.

People who are from disadvantaged households SHOULD be given a leg up. They don't get the expensive tutors, and their parents might have to work longer hours, they cannot afford that trip to Europe the rich kid wrote their essay about, and their home life could be a lot more disruptive.

And the nice "perk" of discriminating based on household income and or poverty is: A lot of minorities will benefit because they're already in that group.

It also solves another issue we're seeing: Second generation kids of minorities whose parents are college educated and or professionals. The affirmative action program is designed to give kids with a disadvantage a more fair shake, but it is being used by minority kids who are by all definitions from middle class or from affluent households even more of an advantage, which is stealing spots from poor minority kids that actually need it!

So I would like to see affirmative action based on race scrapped. Base it on income. It will still largely benefit minority applicants, but we won't have to answer awkward questions like "how white is too white to be a minority?"

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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"A society which has for hundreds of years done something special against the Negro must now do something special for the Negro." --Martin Luther King, Jr.

Whomever you are, you have had ancestors that enslaved and ancestors that were enslaved.

That has nothing to do with this issue.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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post #6

"A society which has for hundreds of years done something special against the Negro must now do something special for the Negro." --Martin Luther King, Jr.

Whomever you are, you have had ancestors that enslaved and ancestors that were enslaved.

While true, this is irrelevant.

Things like affirmative action do not exist as revenge or compensation for some past act, they are there to undo some of the still present damage from those acts.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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post #4

Seems like a pretty ludicrous analysis. Can be summed up as 'If you ban quotas, the people who get in because of quotas will not be as represented'. Uhh - duh? Will they have another post 'What happens when heavy objects are thrown up in the air - do they fall to the ground or float away?' There is actually a much more interesting analysis of effects of AA on its recipients I read recently here: http://spectator.org/…

A quote from the article of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor:

"The Court expects that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today."

The salient part being, "further the interest approved today". The U.S. has a long history of dealing with nonwhite in pernicious ways. Part of the remedy has been affirmative action. The claim that affirmative action is no longer necessary because we are all equal is being called into question. If the outcomes of banning affirmative action are worse, in terms of racial disparity, then the aforementioned claim can be called into question.

The analysis is not ludicrous.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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One issue with affirmative action which rarely gets addressed: What is the definition of a certain race anyway? If someone is from two black parents, fine, they're black. But what if one parent was black and one was white, are they black? Are their children black? What about their children's children? Are we going to spin out genetic testing, color cards, or start looking at people's family tree to decide eligibility…

I see this topic discussed all the time, not rarely.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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post #6

"A society which has for hundreds of years done something special against the Negro must now do something special for the Negro." --Martin Luther King, Jr.

Whomever you are, you have had ancestors that enslaved and ancestors that were enslaved.

The things done specially against African-Americans in particular (or non-whites in general) in the US aren't limited to (or even limited to the parts of the US which practiced), and also aren't all as distant in time as, slavery.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whomever you are, you have had ancestors that enslaved and ancestors that were enslaved.

That has nothing to do with this issue.

It has as much to do as bitwize's comment.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whomever you are, you have had ancestors that enslaved and ancestors that were enslaved.

While true, this is irrelevant. Things like affirmative action do not exist as revenge or compensation for some past act, they are there to undo some of the still present damage from those acts.

>they are there to undo some of the still present damage from those acts.

In which case income/wealth/SES are the better metrics, as they ensure those who are damaged get help instead of relying on some other measure as a proxy for damage.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think academic results are the (sole) metric of what enhances society most. I'd argue that getting more folks from underrepresented groups into schools and the pipelines that ultimately follow is a better society enhancement than a school having a slightly higher average GPA.

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Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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One issue with affirmative action which rarely gets addressed: What is the definition of a certain race anyway? If someone is from two black parents, fine, they're black. But what if one parent was black and one was white, are they black? Are their children black? What about their children's children? Are we going to spin out genetic testing, color cards, or start looking at people's family tree to decide eligibility…

I agree entirely on the 'base affirmative action on income' thing. Class/income inequality is the biggest issue there is today, and something to aims to fix that rather than a meaningless race or gender quota would be fantastic.

Might also slowly start getting rid of the overly abudant trust fund kids found in most high end professions, the kinds who seemingly get jobs and money simply because their parents were born into the same.

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