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What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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I don't think academic results are the (sole) metric of what enhances society most. I'd argue that getting more folks from underrepresented groups into schools and the pipelines that ultimately follow is a better society enhancement than a school having a slightly higher average GPA.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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In other words, not using racial preferences in admissions decisions lets the black college enrollment trends continue; though, as the article doesn't point out, 'not using mandated racial preferences (banning aff. action)' is not the cause of disproportionate representation.

I think the argument against affirmative action is more, morally speaking, addressing the question, "should we use racial preference to fight racial preference?".

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> are you obliged to help out those around you or not?

It might also boil down to a disagreement around who we are obligated to help. Some say dis-advantaged ethnicities. Others say dis-advantaged socioeconomic groups. Et cetera.

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"A society which has for hundreds of years done something special against the Negro must now do something special for the Negro." --Martin Luther King, Jr.

Whomever you are, you have had ancestors that enslaved and ancestors that were enslaved.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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I don't think academic results are the (sole) metric of what enhances society most. I'd argue that getting more folks from underrepresented groups into schools and the pipelines that ultimately follow is a better society enhancement than a school having a slightly higher average GPA.

GPA might not be quite as important, but actually graduating is. Especially given the loans one takes on and how hard it is to repay them if they don't graduate. Something that lowers graduation rates could cause more harm because it means a general reduction in ability to repay loans taken to attempt college.

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Seems like a pretty ludicrous analysis. Can be summed up as 'If you ban quotas, the people who get in because of quotas will not be as represented'. Uhh - duh? Will they have another post 'What happens when heavy objects are thrown up in the air - do they fall to the ground or float away?' There is actually a much more interesting analysis of effects of AA on its recipients I read recently here: http://spectator.org/…

I think the argument was 'if you ban quotas based on race in favor of other measure which should still help increase diversity, you don't get as good an effect as just quotas'. That it is lower shouldn't be surprising, but how much lower or higher than the expected lower might be surprising.

>which should still help increase diversity

I think quotas by income would be a much more interesting experience for college students than quotas by race.

Re: What Happens When You Ban Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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I'd be interested in seeing the underlying data because there's a lot of noise you introduce by just equally weighing all colleges as data pts and then teasing out a weak trend. You could boil down the entire ban and non-ban populations to a single number for each group which would probably tell you more than these graphs do. Better yet do it over time.

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I don't think academic results are the (sole) metric of what enhances society most. I'd argue that getting more folks from underrepresented groups into schools and the pipelines that ultimately follow is a better society enhancement than a school having a slightly higher average GPA.

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