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From my Western European point of view, I see a lot of these intellectual jobs being outsourced to Slovenia, Poland and even the Philippines. I am advising my kids to have good technical skills but also great people skills.
So? It's not like the people in Slovenia, Poland, or the Philippines are less intelligent or less well educated than people from Western Europe.
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
From my Western European point of view, I see a lot of these intellectual jobs being outsourced to Slovenia, Poland and even the Philippines. I am advising my kids to have good technical skills but also great people skills.
So? It's not like the people in Slovenia, Poland, or the Philippines are less intelligent or less well educated than people from Western Europe.
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The problem is you haven't caught up with what computers have become: a utility. They were a novelty when you were growing up, but they are a utility now. What that means is that people who deal with computers are going to be professionals ranging from the spectrum of architect to plumber: there are more plumbers than architects. Do you think your plumber had an innate desire to be a plumber? No. They looked at their…
Being a plumber is actually a good career. You can't outsource it, you always need them at some point, and the hourly rate is quite high. Maybe you could automate it? At the point tech can automate all aspects of a plumbers job, we'll have automated most jobs (IMHO).
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Just like building a skyscraper doesn't require a degree. You don't need a degree to lay bricks, pour cement or assemble rebar. But you do if you're the one designing the structure in the first place. There is a lot of knowledge to be gained by experience, but sometimes it's useful to have knowledge gained from books, and in particular from books you had no interest reading in the first place (which is the real value…
Books are not the sole property of colleges.
I occasionally come across situations where those useless subjects suddenly contribute something useful for the problem at hand. I would never have studied them by myself unless forced by the goal of finishing college. At the very least, I would have never studied them to any sufficient depth to make them useful.
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#165I have daughters and was not able to get them interested in any computer unless it involves games or social media. But the boys they hang out with are the same way- games only, for the most part. While I played a lot of games on my computer as a youth, I also spent a lot of time trying to program games. Today, I'm a developer. Because of kids' fascination with their phones and tablets, and because programming isn't a…
Also, after getting girls interested in programming, one of the problems is how to keep them in tech. Currently, over 40% of women leave tech mid-career, which is more than double the quit rate for men ( https://keepwomen.com/info/aboutus ).
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#166I have daughters and was not able to get them interested in any computer unless it involves games or social media. But the boys they hang out with are the same way- games only, for the most part. While I played a lot of games on my computer as a youth, I also spent a lot of time trying to program games. Today, I'm a developer. Because of kids' fascination with their phones and tablets, and because programming isn't a…
My daughter is 9 and has been fascinated by coding since she was about 6 - initially with Scratch, but she's just moving on to Javascript. I didn't push it on her at all - she asked me one night what I did for a job, so I showed her a bit of code I'd been doing and she was hooked. I've also done an after-school club in Scratch for the kids at her school (9 out of the 10 were girls), and they really enjoyed it as well…
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I agree. Both the TRS-80 (which was specifically mentioned in the audio version of the article) and the Apple II were released in 1977.
>By 1982, an estimated 621,000 home computers were in American households, at an average sales price of US$530. In a country of 220 million people. If we assume about 4 people could access a single computer, then 1,1% of population had access. So it seems commercials of Apple II and TRS-80 was the thing that compelled women to stay out of the field. Or alternatively getting your hands on dads TRS-80 was incredibly co…
> If we assume about 4 people could access a single
> computer, then 1,1% of population had access.
High school students aren't representative of the general population. Schools had computers, so all of them had access.Re: 1984 – When women stopped coding
#168A lot of indian women are taking to coding/programming career. Currently, the estimate of number of women programmers in india is about 1,00,000. They are expected to grow to 2,00,00 in less than 10 years.
Not to be nitpicky, but you probably want to review how you typed those numbers. The second is smaller than the first, and the commas are not grouping the zeroes in groups of three. I suppose you mean either 10^5 or 10^6, but I'm not sure which.
[1] Not sure why the asymmetry between thousand and lakh (when these units were created), though (10^3 vs an additional 10^2).
Another difference: Billion in India used to mean 1 million million (like the British), rather than the American meaning of 1 thousand million.
Linking to this post (mine), since it is somewhat apropos :-)
http://jugad2.blogspot.in/2010/06/bhaskaracharya-and-man-who...
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#169I don't think it's about absolute numbers, women did not stop coding. It's just more men starting to code, which makes the share of women smaller.
I was thinking along the same lines (personal computers = more boys interested in CS). Then I found this in the comments section of the article: http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/CSDegr... Interesting that there was a dip of both males and females around 1984. So I'm not so sure of the statement above anymore. However, around the year 2000 there's this peak where males do outnumber females by a gr…
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Also, after getting girls interested in programming, one of the problems is how to keep them in tech. Currently, over 40% of women leave tech mid-career, which is more than double the quit rate for men ( https://keepwomen.com/info/aboutus ).
The website you linked is deeply discriminatory and offensive to males in tech. "Why do women leave tech?: many women leave tech due to working conditions (low salary, no advancement), work-life balance (too much travelling, commuting) What do women want in the workplace?: flexible working hours, personal development opportunities." What about the males in tech ? They don't deserve better salary and advancements ? Th…