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Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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That's not enough? Most major cities are coastal. We'd lose Hong Kong, New York, most of Holland. We'd also see more extreme weather in the form of powerful hurricanes and droughts. Water and food supplies start to disappear which will inevitably lead to conflict and war over resources. Then you've got the medium-term horizon of about 1000 years when the ocean can no longer sustain phytoplankton and oxygen levels drop to the point that most air-breathing animals will die off.

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I absolutely don't believe that human-created CO2 emissions cause global warming. However, I consider myself a staunch environmentalist. I believe we should be doing whatever we can to control pollution. It sickens me that factories pump out pollution, that we can barely eat fish anymore because of all the garbage and poisons we pump into our oceans. I think we need very strict controls on every form of pollution as…

Regardless of one's stance on global warming and whether or not humans contribute to it, I would hope that we can all agree on the necessity of environmental stewardship. It's deplorable that many bodies of water cannot be swam in (let alone fished from), that breathable air which does not contribute to asthma and lung cancer is a luxury, and most of all that this happens because corporations place the cost of these externalities on society without adequately paying for it.

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If I believe your number: > First - do you believe it is acceptable that 7 million people die every year from pollution? Answer this, how many of that 7 million year over year die from carbon dioxide? This is the major issue with deniers. Carbon dioxide != pollution. Edit: I don't know anyone not in favor of clean energy. I know plenty who warn of government overreaching using climate change scare tactics. You want t…

> Carbon dioxide != pollution

It's what plants crave!

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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If I believe your number: > First - do you believe it is acceptable that 7 million people die every year from pollution? Answer this, how many of that 7 million year over year die from carbon dioxide? This is the major issue with deniers. Carbon dioxide != pollution. Edit: I don't know anyone not in favor of clean energy. I know plenty who warn of government overreaching using climate change scare tactics. You want t…

You americans must go beyond the false dichotomy of republicans and democrats.. its just two different ways of getting your tax money, weapons and staged wars or bureaucracy. Neither gives a damn about an african genocide to lower the price of chocolate.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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I absolutely don't believe that human-created CO2 emissions cause global warming. However, I consider myself a staunch environmentalist. I believe we should be doing whatever we can to control pollution. It sickens me that factories pump out pollution, that we can barely eat fish anymore because of all the garbage and poisons we pump into our oceans. I think we need very strict controls on every form of pollution as…

What about ocean acidification, which is also a very-dangerous effect of increasing atmospheric CO2 levels?

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The global warming brigade hijacked the pollution issue. There always will be a debate on global warming. So keeping global warming as the prime focus of fossil fuel usage kept people divided. If pollution was the prime focus from day one, then more push would have been given to renewable. Maybe, Arnold is able to bring more people to think in this direction.

I agree with this. Amazing that we need AS to give people a dose of wisdom. I have to agree with everything he said. I am not convinced about CO2 causing global warming but I am 100% ok with our society pushing away from coal, gasoline and fracking.

If only it were that easy. With energy use expected to rise and the Jevon's Paradox sure to annihilate any environmental benefits from increased efficiency, we will have to make some unfortunate choices about energy sources. Coal is very very dirty, beyond CO2, we're talking sulfur and mercury poisoning. Fracking is actually quite safe but notoriously under regulated. Nuclear is clean and safe but a generation raised on Homer Simpson and Chernobyl footage means they'll never accept it.

Even green tech is dirty. Refining rare earths is environmentally disasterous (gotta rip those high valence electrons somehow) and battery recycling in Nigeria has created a huge spike in lead poisoning cases and deaths.

Fighting climate change is the biggest conflict in the history in humanity. Our species is our enemy and our ally, and we are tasked between holding onto the plummeting biodiversity we have on this day, December 7, 2015, or complete and utter extinction. It won't be easy, and we will all have to make choices we don't like.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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I like that he makes it more about the economics of saving lives, which should be the primary argument. But that is a tricky problem since we have 4 million a year dying from indoor cooking smoke, and millions more from other various aspects of extreme poverty. Most of which would be a greater ameliorated by cheap coal plants. Cheap coals plants are horrible polluters, but they are cheap, aren't as bad as indoor poll…

But is a cheap coal plant a worse polluter than N household cooking fires, where N is the number of households that the cheap coal plant enables to switch to electric cooking? (Don't forget that those households also probably heat the house with wood fires or something equally nasty.)

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The global warming brigade hijacked the pollution issue. There always will be a debate on global warming. So keeping global warming as the prime focus of fossil fuel usage kept people divided. If pollution was the prime focus from day one, then more push would have been given to renewable. Maybe, Arnold is able to bring more people to think in this direction.

Funny - I don't really see much of a debate...

That's because you're reflexively dismissing people on the other side. They're still there, though.

Re: Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about climate change

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I absolutely don't believe that human-created CO2 emissions cause global warming. However, I consider myself a staunch environmentalist. I believe we should be doing whatever we can to control pollution. It sickens me that factories pump out pollution, that we can barely eat fish anymore because of all the garbage and poisons we pump into our oceans. I think we need very strict controls on every form of pollution as…

Can you explain your lack of belief when 97% of climate scientists (there's conflicting data on this; some reports show as high as 99%) agree that human activity is causing global warming? EDIT: That's not rhetorical. I'll entertain any logical reasoning you have as to why your reasoning is superior to those educated and practicing the subject daily.

Maybe he has a basic understanding of time series analysis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg

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I would be very interested in an all-electric minivan with enough range for my frequent 600-mile trips to my wife's home town. Sadly, this does not yet exist.

You make a 10-hour-each-way trip frequently? Man, stop throwing away your life like that. Downsize your house, take a pay cut, do whatever it is you have to to move somewhere closer. I struggle to even begin to imagine the misery of what you're doing.

You don't have relatives across the country? Or you just don't visit them?
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