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Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Nadya wrote: post #50
volker48 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the mentality that eating and/or cooking is a "waste of time". Not picking on you specifically it is a common idea and part of the idea behind products like Soylent. I prefer to enjoy the moments of preparing my food and eating it.

If dishes cleaned themselves I would cook more. I don't mind cooking but I hate having to clean dishes so I avoid cooking anything that dirties more than two dishes. Cooking leaves me with two options: 1) Clean immediately after preparing my meal. Food is now cold and unenjoyable, but dishes are done! 2) Put off cleaning dishes until after my meal and food has settled so I can actually enjoy my food and the result of…

Put water into every cooking vessel immediately; leave and clean at your leisure. Its simple.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by jsonmez »

mrfusion wrote: post #47
jsonmez wrote: post #19

I fast until 5:00 PM every day and then only eat one meal. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years. I have been able to maintain a large degree of muscle and I am pretty ripped. Easy to adopt your lifestyle to and then you don't really have to count calories anymore. Plus, I never have to waste time eating or cooking breakfast or lunch.

Any downsides you can see? Does it hinder muscle building if you work out before 5?

I take a few BCAAs before working out and the key it that you get protein and carbs after the work out. I've seen muscle increase during the period.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by silviogutierrez »

jsonmez wrote: post #19

I fast until 5:00 PM every day and then only eat one meal. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years. I have been able to maintain a large degree of muscle and I am pretty ripped. Easy to adopt your lifestyle to and then you don't really have to count calories anymore. Plus, I never have to waste time eating or cooking breakfast or lunch.

I agree that with one meal a day you likely don't need to count calories. Then again, I can easily consume 5000 calories of more if left unchecked. So I built my own IF-specific tracker (shameless plug).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10540352

It even supports leangains style dieting.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by Nadya »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #51
Nadya wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If dishes cleaned themselves I would cook more. I don't mind cooking but I hate having to clean dishes so I avoid cooking anything that dirties more than two dishes. Cooking leaves me with two options: 1) Clean immediately after preparing my meal. Food is now cold and unenjoyable, but dishes are done! 2) Put off cleaning dishes until after my meal and food has settled so I can actually enjoy my food and the result of…

Put water into every cooking vessel immediately; leave and clean at your leisure. Its simple.

If you're going to bother filling each cooking utensil with water you're better off giving them a quick rinse with a spray faucet. As it's faster to spray each utensil than to fill each container. Your "simple" method is a worse version of method 1 and doesn't actually solve the problem.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

The difficulty with adapting these studies is that culture can have a great influence in meal frequency and timing.

In America, the typical schedule is to have a large breakfast, get in your car to work, have a light/medium lunch, then drive back home for a large dinner with the family.

When I lived with my family in Italy, where cities are denser and families are closer, things were completely different: breakfast was espresso, and eating anything more than a croissant was rare. Around 1 the country shuts down with an audible clank as everyone goes home for a huge lunch with the family. After work is dinner, but it tends to be much smaller than lunch.

It can also vary depending on the part of Italy. Dinners were much larger in inland Rome than coastal Gaeta, although Romans tend to stay out much later, so it makes sense to have the extra calories.

Ultimately, it's an optimization problem that will never be solved. Even if there is an optimal meal method, most people will reject it because their personality/culture values pleasure above efficiency. What's the point of being healthy if you're not happy?

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by neves »

volker48 wrote: post #20
jsonmez wrote: post #19

I fast until 5:00 PM every day and then only eat one meal. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years. I have been able to maintain a large degree of muscle and I am pretty ripped. Easy to adopt your lifestyle to and then you don't really have to count calories anymore. Plus, I never have to waste time eating or cooking breakfast or lunch.

I really don't understand the mentality that eating and/or cooking is a "waste of time". Not picking on you specifically it is a common idea and part of the idea behind products like Soylent. I prefer to enjoy the moments of preparing my food and eating it.

Don't forget the cultural aspects. Cultures like the French or Italian enjoy more their food moments. In their ultra efficient society, the Americans — generalization warning! — don't think is really an important social moment. No mystery that Soylent is an American thing.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by fjk »

tgb wrote: post #33

There's an on-going timing-of-eating study going on at UPenn [1] that is looking for volunteers. They provide you with 4 months of food (you get a say in what you get) and they tell you when to eat it (though not how much or exactly what). As well as compensation. If you're in the Philladelphia area, it might be interesting to participate or to save money doing this for a good cause. This is the kind of study we need…

Thank you for the heads up! I just reached out to volunteer.

On a related note, it would be fantastic to have a resource to discover research volunteer opportunities like this. It's almost impossible to find these types of research projects without having someone tip you off!

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Nadya wrote: post #54
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Put water into every cooking vessel immediately; leave and clean at your leisure. Its simple.

If you're going to bother filling each cooking utensil with water you're better off giving them a quick rinse with a spray faucet. As it's faster to spray each utensil than to fill each container . Your "simple" method is a worse version of method 1 and doesn't actually solve the problem.

Oh chill. Just put a little water in, drop it in the sink. 2 seconds max. And for a guy that doesn't cook, you sure are an expert.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by jsonmez »

heed wrote: post #40
jsonmez wrote: post #19

I fast until 5:00 PM every day and then only eat one meal. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years. I have been able to maintain a large degree of muscle and I am pretty ripped. Easy to adopt your lifestyle to and then you don't really have to count calories anymore. Plus, I never have to waste time eating or cooking breakfast or lunch.

What is your weight and height if you don't mind me asking? How many calories per day are you ingesting?

I'm 6"3' and 210 lbs, about 9% bodyfat. Probably about 1,500 calories when I am cutting on this routine, otherwise 2-3k cal.
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