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Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by mei0Iesh »

rekshaw wrote: post #9

Abstract of the abstract: Emerging findings from studies of animal models and human subjects suggest that intermittent energy restriction periods of as little as 16 h can improve health indicators and counteract disease processes.

That includes sleep? If you sleep 8 hours, awaken at 6 AM, then eat at 2 PM, it's a 16-hour restriction period?

I naturally go longer than that without eating each day. If you skip breakfast and lunch times, and include the hours you're asleep, it's easy to "fast" for closer to 20 hours or more every day.

I wouldn't force that though, I think everyone is different, living different lifestyles, and their optimal eating cycles will reflect that. When I'm working primarily sedentarily on the computer, then I'd rather work all day and eat quickly in one sitting at the end of the day. But if I'm spending all day doing manual labor outside in the sun, I'll naturally want to eat and drink more in between.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by profeta »

i'm too lazy to read all the papers on this subject, so indulge me: Do any measure brain "output"?

i bet earlier humans would eat a lot, then walk for miles until finding another spot, or stuff them on seals and then sleep on some warm cave and do nothing until the hunger was bad enough to justify another hunt on the cold outside, etc. I doubt you can live that way with a 9-5 job.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by coralreef »

gcb0 wrote: post #13
austinjp wrote: post #5

This appears to be the mobile version: http://m.pnas.org/content/111/47/16647.short

ah! Mobile versions of websites. the sure way to communicate you did the crappiest job building a standards compliant site when you had the chance.

Standards compliance ensures a good mobile browsing experience?

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by ideonexus »

mei0Iesh wrote: post #11
rekshaw wrote: post #9

Abstract of the abstract: Emerging findings from studies of animal models and human subjects suggest that intermittent energy restriction periods of as little as 16 h can improve health indicators and counteract disease processes.

That includes sleep? If you sleep 8 hours, awaken at 6 AM, then eat at 2 PM, it's a 16-hour restriction period? I naturally go longer than that without eating each day. If you skip breakfast and lunch times, and include the hours you're asleep, it's easy to "fast" for closer to 20 hours or more every day. I wouldn't force that though, I think everyone is different, living different lifestyles, and their optimal eatin…

According to the Intermittent Fasting site, 8 hours of sleep is part of your fasting:

http://antranik.org/intermittent-fasting/

This groks with everything I've learned about dieting and exercise. Some people like to work out in the afternoon because their bodies are at peak-warm-up. While I like to exercise first thing in the morning because my body has to find energy in my fat stores after fasting through eight hours of sleep.

Try weighing yourself before bed and when you wake up. You'll find you lose a pound or more for exhaling carbon in your sleep:

http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/06/19/193556929/ev...

Here's how it works for me: go to bed at 9, get up at 5am, skip breakfast, and put off lunch until 1pm (drink lots of tea during the day). What I've found is that I can't eat enough calories between 1pm and 9pm to gain weight.

I think these researchers are on to something. Different dieting techniques work for different people, so it's good to have lots of options.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by randlet »

mei0Iesh wrote: post #11
rekshaw wrote: post #9

Abstract of the abstract: Emerging findings from studies of animal models and human subjects suggest that intermittent energy restriction periods of as little as 16 h can improve health indicators and counteract disease processes.

That includes sleep? If you sleep 8 hours, awaken at 6 AM, then eat at 2 PM, it's a 16-hour restriction period? I naturally go longer than that without eating each day. If you skip breakfast and lunch times, and include the hours you're asleep, it's easy to "fast" for closer to 20 hours or more every day. I wouldn't force that though, I think everyone is different, living different lifestyles, and their optimal eatin…

That's correct. Lots of people do 16/8 fasting. It's easy to get used to skipping breakfast and having your first meal 5 or 6 hours after you wake up and then only eat in the following 8 hour window.

I use intermittent fasting as a very effective way to keep my total daily caloric intake in check. If there are side benefits on health that is a cherry on top.

A typical day for me would be up at 7 am. 2 or 3 cups of strong black coffee until noon. I'll eat two main meals of ~800 calories at noon & 5:30pm and then sprinkle 1000 calories worth of snacks all throughout my eating window until 8pm. I stay very satiated all day in this fashion...much more so than if I were to eat breakfast first thing in the morning.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by randlet »

ideonexus wrote: post #16
mei0Iesh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That includes sleep? If you sleep 8 hours, awaken at 6 AM, then eat at 2 PM, it's a 16-hour restriction period? I naturally go longer than that without eating each day. If you skip breakfast and lunch times, and include the hours you're asleep, it's easy to "fast" for closer to 20 hours or more every day. I wouldn't force that though, I think everyone is different, living different lifestyles, and their optimal eatin…

According to the Intermittent Fasting site, 8 hours of sleep is part of your fasting: http://antranik.org/intermittent-fasting/ This groks with everything I've learned about dieting and exercise. Some people like to work out in the afternoon because their bodies are at peak-warm-up. While I like to exercise first thing in the morning because my body has to find energy in my fat stores after fasting through eight hour…

"Try weighing yourself before bed and when you wake up. You'll find you lose a pound or more for exhaling carbon in your sleep"

I've tried this a bunch of times and have seen up to two pounds difference on rare occasions!

A significant fraction of the weight loss is due to water loss though.

(and technically it's carbon dioxide, not "carbon", although with climate change being blamed on "carbon" we may have already lost the war on that misnomer!)

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by jsonmez »

I fast until 5:00 PM every day and then only eat one meal. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years.

I have been able to maintain a large degree of muscle and I am pretty ripped.

Easy to adopt your lifestyle to and then you don't really have to count calories anymore.

Plus, I never have to waste time eating or cooking breakfast or lunch.

Re: Meal frequency and timing in health and disease (2014)

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Post by volker48 »

jsonmez wrote: post #19

I fast until 5:00 PM every day and then only eat one meal. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years. I have been able to maintain a large degree of muscle and I am pretty ripped. Easy to adopt your lifestyle to and then you don't really have to count calories anymore. Plus, I never have to waste time eating or cooking breakfast or lunch.

I really don't understand the mentality that eating and/or cooking is a "waste of time". Not picking on you specifically it is a common idea and part of the idea behind products like Soylent. I prefer to enjoy the moments of preparing my food and eating it.
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