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Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope

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Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope

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Post by dang »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #13

Responsible adults need to step into the room and get this telescope built. Tribal voodoo about sacred dirt has no place in modern society. The indigenous people of Hawaii are just citizens, and while they get a say proportional to their numbers, they can and should be outvoted by reasonable people committed to scientific progress. They should get no special privilege to block scientific research because of their anc…

Nearly everything you're posting is ideological and inflammatory. That's emphatically not what HN is for, and you're abusing it. Please stop.

Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope

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dstyrb wrote: post #50
SIMBAD2000 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are simulated with MK in mind but that's just using the site parameters. It doesn't affect the design of the telescope only the simulated performance. You don't change your telescope because the site is poorer, it's just not as good. TMT at APO would never be built because it's not that good a site. TMT at Armazones would be no different other than the enclosure would be modified for the conditions. Yes it effec…

It would fundamentally change the science case, not just slightly. You have E-ELT and GMT in the southern hemisphere. A major part of the TMT science case is its survey footprint in the north to augment these other 30-meter class projects. Money is committed on the basis of time -- with the expectation that the telescope will be able to deliver the type of science that your institute wants to do -- so an institute do…

It's not fundamental to the science case. Nine of the major topics in the science case, if you read it, are hemisphere specific. It is not emphasised that a northern telescope is a big deal, few astronomers will have access to both.

This a national level project, institutions aren't making funding decisions. They do not consult the funding countries every time WFOS is redesigned with different performance. They did not consult them when the AO IFS MOS was replaced with MOSfire. With a big project like this the performance isn't well known at the point when you commit funding.

Re: Hawaii Court Rescinds Permit to Build Thirty Meter Telescope

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SIMBAD2000 wrote: post #52
dstyrb wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would fundamentally change the science case, not just slightly. You have E-ELT and GMT in the southern hemisphere. A major part of the TMT science case is its survey footprint in the north to augment these other 30-meter class projects. Money is committed on the basis of time -- with the expectation that the telescope will be able to deliver the type of science that your institute wants to do -- so an institute do…

It's not fundamental to the science case. Nine of the major topics in the science case, if you read it, are hemisphere specific. It is not emphasised that a northern telescope is a big deal, few astronomers will have access to both. This a national level project, institutions aren't making funding decisions. They do not consult the funding countries every time WFOS is redesigned with different performance. They did n…

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