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HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by rsync »

JungleGymSam wrote: post #30
rsync wrote: post #2

As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

> If you're not sure what this means, our product is Not For You. Hey, thanks! I stopped reading there. :)

We both win!

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by sageabilly »

I wonder if these will be recoverable by traditional data recovery means, or if opening them and exposing the platters to normal air instead of helium would mean they can't spin/run correctly.

If helium-filled HDD technology becomes more widespread I am curious about the potential impact to the data recovery market.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by lallysingh »

sageabilly wrote: post #32

I wonder if these will be recoverable by traditional data recovery means, or if opening them and exposing the platters to normal air instead of helium would mean they can't spin/run correctly. If helium-filled HDD technology becomes more widespread I am curious about the potential impact to the data recovery market.

You could always open them in a larger helium chamber.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by sageabilly »

lallysingh wrote: post #33
sageabilly wrote: post #32

I wonder if these will be recoverable by traditional data recovery means, or if opening them and exposing the platters to normal air instead of helium would mean they can't spin/run correctly. If helium-filled HDD technology becomes more widespread I am curious about the potential impact to the data recovery market.

You could always open them in a larger helium chamber.

Which would add a significant up-front cost that would have to be shouldered by the data recovery company. Potentially an issue for small shops (which most data recovery companies are.)

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by monochromatic »

rsync wrote: post #2

As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

> Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB.

You don't have to pass every savings on to the consumer, you know.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by wazoox »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #6

How well have the first generations of helium drives lasted? I'm wary of trusting my data to something that relies on incredibly good gas seals. But if there are no observed reliability issues, it seems that problem has been solved.

None ever failed me (several hundreds in production). In general, HGST drives are much more reliable than Seagate and WD anyway, but the He are supposedly even better.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by dogma1138 »

sageabilly wrote: post #32

I wonder if these will be recoverable by traditional data recovery means, or if opening them and exposing the platters to normal air instead of helium would mean they can't spin/run correctly. If helium-filled HDD technology becomes more widespread I am curious about the potential impact to the data recovery market.

Probably not but neither are SSD's, judging by how many data recovery places have went out of business I don't think it's a major consideration any more.

If it dies in an enterprise environment it would be part of a redundant array of some sort (I can't think of a single use case for such a large and expensive drive in a single drive setup), gone are the days when the 30GB HDD in the CEO's tower died and you had to rush it to some 48 hours recovery service to get that "super important" presentation they had on it (AKA his vacation pictures).

I'm pretty sure that like 90% of the current data recovery cases are from people that still carry mechanical portable drives or haven't switched to a NAS with RAID support which will never be the market segment for those drives anyhow.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

rsync wrote: post #28
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats your current storage in a 4U chassis?

45 drives @ 4TB, but we create 15 drive raidz3 vdevs, so we lose 3 drives per vdev ... so (45-9)*4 = 144TB.

Any reason why you're not using 6TB yet? Reliability?

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Post by zx2c4 »

rsync wrote: post #2

As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

Does anybody take the encryption support in attic/borg seriously? They seem to be implementing their own AE construction. Maybe they did it right, but it makes be a bit uneasy. While they're at it wrapping OpenSSL, I don't know why they wouldn't use one of OpenSSL's AEAD EVPs...
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