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HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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How well have the first generations of helium drives lasted? I'm wary of trusting my data to something that relies on incredibly good gas seals. But if there are no observed reliability issues, it seems that problem has been solved.

Place where I used to work had large NetApp array's using HGST's Helium filled drives.

During the time that I was there (1 year, these had been in service longer than that), out of the 250+ drives in service we didn't have a single failure.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

(who actually owns the infrastructure) Hipster

If your business is enhanced storage, your margin in storage infra is directly relevant to your COGS. I got to learn this the hard way, having once worked in the field. (SpiderOak)

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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Isn't helium guaranteed to leak out over time because of the tiny atom size, giving these drives a most certain scheduled death?

Helium diffusion is probably negligible next to the likelihood of puncturing the assembly or breakdown via normal use.

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Isn't helium guaranteed to leak out over time because of the tiny atom size, giving these drives a most certain scheduled death?

The helium is not under pressure, it should not leak much. A metal to metal seal should do a pretty good job of sealing it, especially with no pressure.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a vacuum, the head would crash into the platter. The gas provides a cushion. Flying height these days is something like 3nm (yes, you read that right), so the tiniest vibration could cause a head crash in a vacuum.

Sure, but at say 1/10th atm Nitrogen would seem to work. So, the question becomes why is helium significantly better?

> at say 1/10th atm Nitrogen would seem to work

But then you have to have a case strong enough not to bend under the pressure difference.

At 1 atm, of course, helium has much lower density (and therefore lower viscosity). Nitrogen weighs 28 g/mol; helium just 4 g/mol.

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As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

SuperMicro has 72 drives in a single system, with 10TB drives you are hitting 720TB in a single 4U package. Dell also has their DSS7000, which is 90 drives in a 4U system, so 900 TB in a single 4U package... 9 Petabyte of storage in a single 42U rack...

Once you go past the 45 drive JBOD (which costs $2000 give or take) the price per slot starts to go up quickly ... the last quote we had for the supermicro 90 drive JBOD was $9000.

So if you are optimizing for rackspace, it might make sense, but if you're keeping costs down, the 45 drive chassis is the best bet.

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Isn't helium guaranteed to leak out over time because of the tiny atom size, giving these drives a most certain scheduled death?

"Guaranteed" is too strong a word, but I'm sure that engineering a seal that would hold reliably for years and could be mass-produced was a nontrivial problem. This is why everyone isn't already using helium.

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As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

Whats your current storage in a 4U chassis?

45 drives @ 4TB, but we create 15 drive raidz3 vdevs, so we lose 3 drives per vdev ... so (45-9)*4 = 144TB.

Re: HGST beats Seagate to market with helium-filled 10TB hard drive

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As a provider of cloud storage (who actually owns the infrastructure) this is both exciting and frustrating... Exciting because we love the idea of deploying a 450TB zpool in a 4U chassis ... Frustrating because we will have to keep reworking our price per GB. With that in mind, our new attic/borg[1] support has dropped down to 3 cents per GB, per month to kind-of-sort-of match S3 pricing[2]. [1] http://www.stavros.i…

> If you're not sure what this means, our product is Not For You.

Hey, thanks! I stopped reading there. :)

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