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Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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Just so we're absolutely clear, I can choose my own doctors. GP's, specialists, dentists, and even a Homeopath!; if I don't like 'em, I can find another, and all on the NHS. I think, in fact, I have more choice than Americans--don't you have to go to whomever your HMO tells you to use? Also, your Canadian neighbours to the north get to choose their doctors.

Most medical plans create doctor pools and aggressively recruit doctors for those pools. I've never found a doctor that didn't accept my insurance.

I am saying three things:

1.) There is a very common assumptions in the USA that because a State funds healthcare, the individual is not allowed choice of doctor, which is incorrect in every public healthcare system I have used.

2.) That public or state run health care system is not substandard or less efficient to the American private system, but actually generally better for just about everyone.

3.) That if every American paid a flat 18% tax for healthcare (instead of any healthcare insurance premiums, whether paid directly by you, or by your employer), then the American government nationalised all American healthcare, every American should then receive at least a $4000 tax rebate. Then again your government could use that money fund better schools and universities.

[EDIT] And by-the-way, the UK Government still spends less than the American Government on every citizen, on healthcare. The American government spends $4437 per every single American citizen every year on healthcare. By contrast, the UK spends $2919 per person, every year. You tell me which tax payer is getting better value for money.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthc...

Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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> Your point about doctors taking ~50% of the provincial budget seems exaggerated (please provide a reference to support it). It's actually 42% in my province: http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/04/programexpenseb... The average doctor makes $350k and the medical association is suing the government because they think it's too little ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-medical... ).

That 42% is the Healthcare Sector's share in the entire provincial budget. It absolutely does not support your claim that doctors take in 50% (or even 42%) as it has already been pointed out that there are far more expenses in healthcare than simply doctors (e.g. drugs).

I misspoke. s/doctors/the healthcare industry/.

Drugs, like optical and dental, are not covered under health insurance in Ontario.

Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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These ads are one of the main reasons I became a cord cutter. I'm very happy they have not yet followed me onto any of the streaming services I use. They are the creepiest thing ever on television. The actors sit around dinner tables with family members speaking unnatural, FDA manipulated dialog ("Oh, I'm doing great, I've been taking Pradaxa for my afib, not caused by a heart valve problem!") Then you get the unendi…

> Then you get the unending list of side effects read aloud ("death" almost always one) I think most of those rare side effects are not related to the drug at all. They just "happened" during the trials and they have to be included. At least in EU they are categorized by th frequency, so if the death is listed as 1 in 10000, I wouldn't consider it a side effect.

I understand that they are rare side effects and the disclosure is required by regulation. But it's creepy. Commercials for candy don't have to warn you that you can choke on it. Even peanut butter commercials don't have to mention peanut allergies.

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We don't have ads for this in Australia, and everyone knows about viagra. Ads for drugs aren't creepy, they're fucking crazy. When I watched hulu for a bit I was astonished by them fascinated. Terrified. The US is wild west capitalism EDIT: And another thing: you guys don't even have affordable health care, so people see this shit they blatantly can't afford advertised at them relentlessly. That's why spam is so lucr…

> they blatantly can't afford advertised at them relentlessly. That's not true, because most people do have insurance. The major problem is that the costs are socialized by insurance, so people buy excessive healthcare because then can afford it (they aren't paying).

Dude if you think medicine is TOO affordable in the US then you are seriously out of touch with everything. eg. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/the-soaring-cost-of-a-s... the comparative cost of have asthma in the US even if you're insured, compared with having it in Australia or most of Europe or New Zealand is sky high. Antidepressants similarly - in Australia you can afford that shit if you're completely poor. Americans need crazy insurance that they get through work to cover it, and then they have to pay through the nose as well.

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People with addictions don't have preferences in the sense you mean. The nature of addiction is that it subverts and overrides the (delicate) mechanisms of rational choice. If the principle we live by is maximizing total individual freedom, then I think freedom from addiction has to be part of that. For that matter, much of the point of advertising is also to subvert one's preferences. So as a believer in individual…

That's doublespeak. "In order to be free, you must not be free". And very few people are even remotely rational in the first place. And there's little irrational in choosing opiates (long term effects are not nearly as bad as many other things deemed acceptable).

Try writing it out longer with different kinds of freedom. It's only doublespeak because you oversimplify.

Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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Most medical plans create doctor pools and aggressively recruit doctors for those pools. I've never found a doctor that didn't accept my insurance.

I am saying three things: 1.) There is a very common assumptions in the USA that because a State funds healthcare, the individual is not allowed choice of doctor, which is incorrect in every public healthcare system I have used. 2.) That public or state run health care system is not substandard or less efficient to the American private system, but actually generally better for just about everyone. 3.) That if every A…

I'm suspicious of govt-run healthcare. Look at Canada - their system is in collapse.

Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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I am saying three things: 1.) There is a very common assumptions in the USA that because a State funds healthcare, the individual is not allowed choice of doctor, which is incorrect in every public healthcare system I have used. 2.) That public or state run health care system is not substandard or less efficient to the American private system, but actually generally better for just about everyone. 3.) That if every A…

I'm suspicious of govt-run healthcare. Look at Canada - their system is in collapse.

Is it? BTW, provision of healthcare in Canada is a provincial matter, so there are 13 separate healthcare systems in Canada. Which one is in collapse? Or are all the provinces facing severe budgetary constraints imposed by the previous Conservative, let's not tax the rich, government.

There are some very powerful, vested interests, namely the insurance and drug companies, that do not want public healthcare.

I am completely suspicious of private, for profit healthcare.

Are you seriously telling me that private healthcare is better? (Okay, private healthcare is better for the maybe the top 1% who can pay for their healthcare out of pocket, but if that is not you, the public system is better.) If I change employer, and therefore insurance policy and/or provider, I will never have to think about previous conditions that may not be covered with my new employer, for instance.

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ABSOLUTELY YES. That we, as a society, allow people deceive us and to lie in our faces, and not only that - we've turned it into an respected occupation - still boggles my mind.

In order to ban lies, you need to entrust power in someone else to discern the lies from truth. But that someone else lies too. It is simply intractable. Like the halting problem.

that someone else in our current system are judges. I'm not sure i know of a justice system that doesnt eventually place the burden on a small number of people.

AFAIK systems hoping to discern truth eventually require a cannon.

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