A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted • Hacker News Board

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 10:04 PM UTC

peteretep wrote: post #79

tracker1 wrote: post #52

This is part of why the ACLU, EFF and NRA are the institutions I'm most in favor of donating to. The encroachment of civil liberties, increasingly intrusive actions from our own government and the like are getting pretty rediculous.

> ACLU, EFF and NRA I consider my neighbour being able to own an assault rifle as an encroachment of my civil liberties.

In what way does your neighbor having ownership of anything implicitely encroach on your civil liberties?

One could damage your person, family or property just as easily with a motor vehicle or household chemicals as they could with an assault rifle. Even then, most hunting rifles are more powerful than the "assault" rifles that are typically used as reference for banning.

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 10:16 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #146

jacquesm wrote: post #140

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> until the DOJ requested documents that violated his own political leanings, he was compliant with other DOJ requests. And that's his mistake. He should not have cared at all about which users the DOJ wanted info about, he should have realized that if he was capable of complying with their demands at all that his system should be fixed rather than kept that way. I can see how this happens though. Imagine your averag…

We disagree, for whatever it's worth. To me, his mistake was in attempting to provide government-proof email without taking the time to build the expertise required to do so. The Internet is littered with broken attempts at providing government-resistant messaging systems. They're a plague. There experts trying to deliver the same systems, but securely; they get drowned out because their UX isn't as smooth as that of…

> To me, his mistake was in attempting to provide government-proof email without taking the time to build the expertise required to do so.

It is very hard to find someone who knows what he does not know. Much more capable people than Levinson have been bitten by that particular failure.

> There (are) experts trying to deliver the same systems, but securely; they get drowned out because their UX isn't as smooth as that of Lavabit's --- which took full advantage of the UX benefits of total insecurity to get more users.

Agreed. Conclusion: user experience counts. What I wonder is why those experts in crypto can't get their act together and deliver a user experience that's at least good enough not to get in the way of acceptance. Wherever there is a conflict between 'good crypto' and 'user experience' the crypto wins out in one product and the user experience wins out in another. Users overwhelmingly choose the packages with the good user experience and the bad crypto.

This may not be fixable in the case of conflicts but for many of the issues they may in fact be simply a matter of attention to detail, after all if the effort can be expended to make good crypto then a similar effort should go into the user experience since in the eyes of the users both are important. Delivering great crypto in an impractical package is a non-contribution.

That is going to be an uphill battle if the past is anything to go by.

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by lambda » Wed, Dec 02, 2015, 4:47 AM UTC

RankingMember wrote: post #138

lambda wrote: post #11

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https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/merrill-v-lynch-unredact...

I meant the other one that they showed screenshots of in various states of redaction.

Isn't that the one I linked to? It's just the final unredacted version, but I don't know how interesting the redactions would be.

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by peteretep » Thu, Dec 03, 2015, 1:20 AM UTC

tracker1 wrote: post #147

peteretep wrote: post #99

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I disagree with my neighbour being able to keep anthrax-infected sheep on her property too, no matter that she tells me she's got a super safe pen for them, and really prefers the taste. Although admittedly I wouldn't know until she gets raided by the CDC or accidentally the whole nearby biosphere.

Firearms don't walk out of a gun safe under their own power.

And yet somehow every gun that's ever been used in a mass homicide has found its way out of a gun safe.

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by peteretep » Thu, Dec 03, 2015, 1:22 AM UTC

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #143

peteretep wrote: post #79

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> ACLU, EFF and NRA I consider my neighbour being able to own an assault rifle as an encroachment of my civil liberties.

I consider my neighbor being able to utter blasphemy as an encroachment of my civil liberties.

You'll be pleased to hear that many of those in congress who have the highest NRA scores share your view.

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by peteretep » Thu, Dec 03, 2015, 1:24 AM UTC

tracker1 wrote: post #149

peteretep wrote: post #126

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> have a superior constitution that protects our rights Mmm, you guys have certainly managed some impressive innovations in habeas corpus[0][1], property rights[2], and free speech[3][4] O_o [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargaining_in_the_United_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United... [3] https://en.wikipedia.…

In the end, after all other options... the right to bear arms is key to even being able to rebel. From a philosophical pov, not advocating armed rebellion. That said, I feel that firearms ownership is an essential right, and that efforts to ban them outright do not serve the public interest.

    > the right to bear arms is key to even being able to rebel

This couldn't be further from the truth.

Every successful armed regime change has had state military sponsorship. But most regime changes are brought about peacefully, and then the army changes sides.

Re: A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted

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Post by tracker1 » Thu, Dec 03, 2015, 5:04 PM UTC

peteretep wrote: post #154

tracker1 wrote: post #147

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Firearms don't walk out of a gun safe under their own power.

And yet somehow every gun that's ever been used in a mass homicide has found its way out of a gun safe.

But not because the wind carried it out... it was a malicious act of a person. There's also the ability to make bombs, and other devices. Killing has been illegal as long as laws have existed, it still happens.