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You're talking like Kazakhstan is a functional democracy. http://exiledonline.com/the-massacre-everyone-ignored-70-str...
Let's not forget when they bossed around some Italian secret services, police and administration underlings to arrest and deport the wife and child of a Kazakh dissident: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0d35c07c-e57f-11e2-ad1a-00144feabd...
Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
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Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
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As an aside, this is one of the reasons why I believe locally installed certificates overriding pinning has a quickly eroding shelf life... At some point, something bad will happen like this (or malware-based) and Chrome will raise their hand and say, "sorry enterprises, no more MITM at all, even for locally installed certificates." After that, IE and Firefox will follow and crypto will no longer be so trivially subv…
That's another arms race Chrome will lose, because the market for the kinds of enterprise configuration management and "host protection" tools that could override this policy exists and is very lucrative. Chrome would simply be begging enterprise security companies to release products to fuck up their browser. I disagree with you.
It would also be a good way for them to start pushing a "two party consent" model for private wiretapping -- It's illegal for my employer to record my office phone because it's a violation of the other party's rights. Facebook has as much a stake in not letting employers monitor employee's social media use as the employees do.
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
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easy to enforce inside the country. Just set it so that there's no https if you don't have the cert! It is becoming a legal requirement for all telcos in the country so even if you're roaming (with a data plan from a foreign provider, for example) - you're still using the local telcos. Only way to avoid is to use some kind of foreign satellite internet or maybe private / non government / non telco dark fibre.
I guess VPN is the only way to avoid it. Or sshuttle or something over port 80. But then again, how long will it take before they can detect that and then block it?! Or you can use non-standard ports, and change them continuously.
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#134Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#135Looking at my mac's cert keychain, there are 185 trusted root certs. I don't know what any of them are or who has the private key to them.
My ISP could MITM my traffic whenever it wants to, if it has the private key of one of the hundreds of trusted root certs on my device.
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#136> The national security certificate will secure protection of Kazakhstan users when using coded access protocols to foreign Internet resources. How is this protecting users? They are outright lying here, if I understand correctly. Also why are they asking for my location? http://i.imgur.com/fYKHRK1.png
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#137This is what HTTP Public Key Pinning (HPKP) protects against. It allows a server to specify the only set of certificates that a browser should accept. Meaning that MITM'ing is impossible, without a valid cert in the chain of one of the advertised trusted certificates from the server. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Chrome for Android, and the Android stock browser all support it. I'm not sure how they intend to circumvent th…
No, it isn't. Locally installed certificates override pins; if they didn't, HPKP browsers wouldn't be deployable inside large companies that have regulatory requirements to monitor traffic from their own desktops, and there would be no benefit, because an adversary who can install software or reconfigure your machine can defeat pins in a variety of other less transparent ways. HPKP is great, but it doesn't address th…
At the very least, this clarifies intentions and helps somewhat with situations like the Dell certificate where it's not intended for MitM.
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#138Why is Kazakhstan's cert any different than the hundreds of "trusted" root certificates that came preinstalled on my mac? Looking at my mac's cert keychain, there are 185 trusted root certs. I don't know what any of them are or who has the private key to them. My ISP could MITM my traffic whenever it wants to, if it has the private key of one of the hundreds of trusted root certs on my device.
Further, unlike the Kazakhstan certificate, those root certificates cannot bypass HTTPS public key pinning (HPKP).
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#139Why is Kazakhstan's cert any different than the hundreds of "trusted" root certificates that came preinstalled on my mac? Looking at my mac's cert keychain, there are 185 trusted root certs. I don't know what any of them are or who has the private key to them. My ISP could MITM my traffic whenever it wants to, if it has the private key of one of the hundreds of trusted root certs on my device.
Re: Kazakhstan to MitM all HTTPS traffic starting Jan 1
#140Slightly OT - if the bad guy can't fiddle with the trust store of your computer, whats his another methods of analysing a users traffic? Is https breakable by other means?